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"There's no way to get there without a breakthrough," OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said, arguing that AI will soon need even more energy.

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[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 170 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Skinner Out Of Touch Meme: Are the AI using toouch energy? Nah, must be the weak energy sources.

Optimizing power consumption? Why?!

[-] JDubbleu@programming.dev 20 points 10 months ago

In fairness the computing world has seen unfathomable efficiency gains that are being pushed further with the sudden adoption of arm. We are doing our damnedest to make computers faster and more efficient, and we're doing a really good job of it, but energy production hasn't seen nearly those gains in the same amount of time. With the sudden widespread adoption of AI, a very power hungry tool (because it's basically emulating a brain in a computer), it has caused a sudden spike in energy needed for computers that are already getting more efficient as fast as we can. Meanwhile energy production isn't keeping up at the same rate of innovation.

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[-] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 94 points 10 months ago

The human brain uses about 20W. Maybe AI needs to be more efficient instead?

[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 61 points 10 months ago

Perfect let's use human brains as CPUs then. Not the whole brain just the unused bits.

[-] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 53 points 10 months ago
[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 45 points 10 months ago

It's what matrix would've been if the studios didn't think people would too dumb to get it, so we ended with the nonsense about batteries.

[-] Bonehead@kbin.social 44 points 10 months ago

They also thought we wouldn't understand how Switch could be a woman in the matrix but a man in the real world. So they just made the character a butch woman because apparently that's easier somehow. So many little changes like this were made.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 29 points 10 months ago

Holy fuck now her name makes so much more sense. God dammit, why are we so fucking stuck up as a society that we couldn’t even keep that

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[-] remotelove@lemmy.ca 20 points 10 months ago

We use all of our brain. Well, some of us try to anyway.

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[-] lone_faerie 91 points 10 months ago

So AI can't exist without stealing people's content and it can't exist without using too much energy. Why does it exist then?

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 50 points 10 months ago

Because the shareholders need more growth. They might create Ultron along the way, but think of the profits, man!

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 75 points 10 months ago

If only we could convert empty hype into energy.

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[-] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 65 points 10 months ago

How about an efficiency breakthrough instead? Our brains just need a meal and can recognize a face without looking at billions of others first.

[-] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago

I mean, we can only do that because our system was trained for hundreds of thousands, millions of years into being able to recognise others of same species

[-] Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Almost all of our training was done without requiring burning fossil fuels. So maybe ole Sammy can put the brakes on his shit until it’s as fuel efficient as a human brain.

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[-] Damaskox@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Erm.

I recall a study about kids under a specific age that cannot get scared of looking at pictures of demons and other horror stuff because they don't know yet what your everyday default person looks like.

So I'd argue that even people need to get accustomed to a thing before they could recognise or have an opinion about anything.

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[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 53 points 10 months ago

Great right from coin miners to the "AI" fad. Tons of carbon shot into the sky and for what? A more unequal society on both counts.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago

Sure, we destroyed the planet, but we did it so we could produce valuable artwork like this:

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I'd say it was worth it. It also gave us this:

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[-] HubertManne@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago

At least AI has the potential to do something useful unlike coin mining. Although its not doing much currently so not to wild about it. Maybe real ai that could actually find new energy sources.

[-] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

I heard that the human body can produce more bioelectricity than a battery

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Which is bullshit for obvious reasons. Humans are no eels.

[-] danielbln@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

In fact, the original script of The Matrix had the machines harvest humans to be used as ultra efficient compute nodes. Executive meddling led to the dumb battery idea .

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[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

Or we could stop this ridiculous llm “ai” trend and move towards sustainable living like our hyper-waste society

[-] Falcon@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

These comments often indicate a lack of understanding about ai.

Ml algorithms have been in use for nearly 50 years. They certainly become much more common since about 2012, particularly with the development of CUDA, It’s not just some new trend or buzz word.

Rather, what we starting to see are the fruits of our labour. There are so many really hard problems that just cannot be solved with deductive reasoning.

[-] Sloogs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's simultaneously possible to realize that something is useful while also recognizing the damage that its trend is causing from a sustainability standpoint, and that neither realization particularly demonstrates a lack of understanding about AI.

[-] KyuubiNoKitsune 12 points 10 months ago

Humans very rarely take sustainability into account when money can be made.

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[-] datendefekt@lemmy.ml 33 points 10 months ago

So is AI the new Blockchain?

[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago

Unlike the Blockchain it has an actual use tho.

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[-] Kolrami@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

Give an LLM to a high school student and they could do something with it.

Try to explain block chain to an adult and watch them pretend to understand.

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[-] ATDA@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

Didn't CERN open a portal to hell recently, can't we just steal their power? What are they using it for what could go wrong?

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[-] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 29 points 10 months ago

Exactly. This is why the AI hype train is overblown. Stop shoving "AI" everywhere when they know it'll cost a lot in electricity.

The real path forwards with AI will be specialized super advanced models costing hundreds per run (business use case) and/or locally run AI using NPUs, especially the latter.

[-] yildo@kbin.social 24 points 10 months ago

We must disassemble the solar system and make ~~paperclips~~ AI server farms

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

I love when people invent something then complain about how dangerous it is. It really hits you in the feels.

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[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 23 points 10 months ago

So much for hoping ai was going to solve energy breakthroughs.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 21 points 10 months ago

Nvidia Execs: Did you say the price of GPUs should go up?

[-] skymtf 20 points 10 months ago

Yes we will build a massive nursing home and use the old people as batteries.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

The sun gives us free energy. Is he aware of that?

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[-] dezmd@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

OH NO, AI IS THE BLOCKCHAIN.

[-] BudgieMania@kbin.social 17 points 10 months ago

dude think about this stuff before you open the floodgates bro

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 16 points 10 months ago

That requires someone in business to think beyond the next quarter’s profits.

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[-] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 10 months ago

So why won't he use the AI to discover one?

[-] IAmInYourWalls@links.hackliberty.org 14 points 10 months ago

I'm sorry but as an AI language processing model I am unable to discover alternative energy sources. My training data concludes on June 21, 2021 and I am unable to understand requests that would require knowledge after that date.

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago

Stop mining bitcoin.

[-] Holyginz@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Might be because it's a LLM not an AI and requires massive amounts of data to be funneled into it to actually work. My admittedly limited understanding of it makes it seem like it's just another buzzword for things like neural networks and machine learning.

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 10 months ago

hey guys, theres this thing called nuclear energy. It's pretty cool.

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[-] Overzeetop@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago

Get rid of bitcoin and you solve the energy problem.

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