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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by Dehydrated@lemmy.world to c/opensource@lemmy.ml

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/10882099

Thankfully I don't use any of their products, but this really pisses me off. They claim that this open source project "causes significant economic harm to their company"

This is ridiculous. It is truly ridiculous. How can something that enables the user to efficiently control their AC cause "significant economic harm"???

Consider forking the repository or mirroring it to another platform like GitLab, Codeberg or your self-hosted Git server, so the project can continue to exist and someone can maybe fork it and maintain it.

The effected repos are: https://github.com/Andre0512/hOn and https://github.com/Andre0512/pyhOn

If you don't know about Home Assistant, check it out. It's an amazing piece of open-source software, that you can run at home on your own server and use it to control your smart home devices. That way, you don't need to connect them to the manufacturer's (probably insecure) cloud. It gives you sovereignty over your smart home instead of some proprietary vendor-locked garbage. Check out their website and the Lemmy community: !homeassistant@lemmy.world

I also highly recommend Louis Rossmann's video about this: https://youtu.be/RcSnd3cyti0

He makes awesome videos in general, consider subscribing.

As Rossmann said, don't ever buy anything from such a shitty company that doesn't respect their customers. This move by Haier is nothing other than a slap in the face for everyone, who just wants to comfortably control the product they paid for. This company is actively hostile towards their paying customers. Fuck these bastards!

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[-] Static_Rocket@lemmy.world 116 points 9 months ago

significant economic harm to our company

Oh! I have a solution! Make it a local API you fucking goofs.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 27 points 9 months ago

I went with Daikin 'cause they had local control.... Except that they changed it in the meantime, and I had 2 different AC splits connected to the pump, one of them is older and still has local control, while the other is newer and doesn't. Fuck all of them.

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 12 points 9 months ago

You can make a thermostat with a raspberry pi, a few sensors, and a relay board. They're pretty simple devices.

Really, you don't even need a pi. An ESP8266 would be more than sufficient.

Source: I made my own thermostat from an esp8266, some sensors, and a relay board.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 7 points 9 months ago

I did that, for my gas heater.

AC is more complex, it has fan speed, air direction (2 of them), temperature settings and so on. I solved with an IR blaster, but that's not what I wanted, I specifically selected this brand to have local control via wifi.

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[-] rishado@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

My manager once asked me if I could code in API

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 9 months ago

Nah, I'd rather data get sent out to external servers and then come back. This is efficient and very smart.

[-] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 79 points 9 months ago

Forked, and mirrored to my Forgejo server. As someone else pointed out on a different community, this is a great example of the Barbra Streisand effect in action.

People like me, without Haier appliances, are now aware of this fuckwittery, and have actively taken steps to preserve the code, before it gets taken down.

Dickheads.

[-] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 28 points 9 months ago

Seconded, and added Haier to my mental list of companies to never buy from.

[-] sparr@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

And, since we don't own or use any Haier appliances, we aren't subject to their TOS.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago

When companies build shitty software for which they charge arms and legs extra and are pissed that someone found their way around it

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Translation: our legal team has to justify their employment, thus we're threatening non-profit open source projects that can't fight back and pose no harm whatsoever to the company's financials, market position, customers, or any other stakeholder.

It'd be awesome if the maintainers could get a pro bono advice / representation here to make a proper response. They're volunteering their free time improving an extensive list of crappy products of a brand and this is what they get back? Disgusting move from Haier.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 26 points 9 months ago

EFF.org would have lawyers, that I hope would take up the case to help the original repo maintainer out..

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 44 points 9 months ago

Seems like I dodged a bullet by recently deciding for another company. Definitely on my permanent do-not-buy list now, thanks for letting us know that you do not want any customers, Haier đŸ˜‘

[-] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Do you use any smart home solution with your AC? Maybe even Home Assistant? Just curious

[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not the person you asked, but i have a mitsubishi electric heatpump, which i have hooked up to homeassistant via an esphome library. It has a header on the controller board that you can connect to.

Normally the header is for their $200 controller and app, i spent $10 on the parts.

https://github.com/geoffdavis/esphome-mitsubishiheatpump

I think i better start mirroring the repo...

[-] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

That's amazing. I love such open source projects! I love the Lemmy, Home Assistant and Open Source community.

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[-] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 4 points 9 months ago

I did the same thing for Panasonic ACs if anybody wants to get rid of the cloud: https://github.com/DomiStyle/esphome-panasonic-ac

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[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm running a Venstar Colortouch thermostat. They're not cheap, but they have a local API and there's a Homeassistant integration.

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 9 months ago

I have a Lennox multistage system with a heat pump, and furnace for when it gets too cold. The best way to run those (according to the installer) is at a low level all the time. So it doesn't benefit much from things like location tracking to turn the system up or down while we're out. Especially since I work from home.

What it does do is make graphs for tracking how it runs the heat pump and furnace each day.

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[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 42 points 9 months ago

Bit of a tangent, but I hear Haier's legal department can be reached at cybergovernance@haier-europe.com, if anyone has any questions about the legal grounds they're claiming, I'm sure they'd be happy to elaborate - they clearly have plenty of free time on their hands.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 40 points 9 months ago

Wouldn't be a bad idea for potential customers to write Haier and let them know they're on a personal blacklist.

Is there an OSS-hostile list, like the opposite of the Awesome-XYZ lists?

[-] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 14 points 9 months ago

Someone really should maintain a list like that, hosted on multiple non big tech git hosts.

This recent Anti-FOSS propaganda needs to stop

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[-] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago
  1. Give the copyright to the FSF
  2. Donate to the FSF
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[-] andyburke@fedia.io 28 points 9 months ago

Don't ever buy anything from these people, got it.

[-] erranto@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

I always thought about why don't FOSS projects that are at risk of getting sued by big corp like (NewPipe, Popcorn Time, streamio, tachiyomi ....) embrace the dark web or git over torrent via VPN, so their projects don't get threatened with take downs. z-library ended having to move to the dark web after all.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 10 points 9 months ago

You get unknown I guess. People move to Github to get a chance of contributions

[-] nullbyte000@mastodon.social 9 points 9 months ago
[-] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Anna’s Archive is probably the best source for books. I use it all the time, actually, I even use it right now. It's also great for students who need textbooks. Fuck Pearson and those other scammers!

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[-] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

Most ppl don't think about that or don't know that their project will take off. And then it is already too late.

[-] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 20 points 9 months ago

How is the plugin illegal?

[-] gomp@lemmy.ml 47 points 9 months ago

It's not like a judge said it's illegal... what happened is that a huge multinational company sent a menacing letter to a developer regarding their hobby project, and the developer —understandably— decided to comply.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago

Yeah, even though the claim is 1000% horseshit, it’s not like some small time python dad has the means to defend against a giant multinational in court.

Laws are only for the common man.

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago

The developer has not yet fully complied - the repo is still up, they have legal insurance and are in discussion with lawyers, and they have responded requesting clarification on the specifics of their alleged "violation".

In the mean time, I think many people have reached out to Haier to express their displeasure. On an unrelated note, the original menacing letter came from cybergovernance@haier-europe.com in case anyone was curious.

[-] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Ask those brain dead fucks at Haier

[-] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago

It sounds like someone out of their jurisdiction should host the repos and tell them to pound sand.

[-] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Codeberg is hosted in Germany

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[-] comfortablydumb@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago

How many GBs do these ACs upload to the company's cloud?

[-] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Too many probably

That ended up being a router error. It was actually something like 1mb.

[-] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Another one to the boycott list

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 11 points 9 months ago

From what I read, this project does help integrate with HA to avoid using the Haier app, but still uses Haier's cloud. Can anyone confirm if this was true?

[-] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Based on the documentation on the GitHub, it looks like it does use Haier's cloud. Which, doesn't make Haier's actions any less shitty, but I can understand a company not wanting a bunch of users using their undocumented API, especially if there's potential to have automations hitting it more frequently than their own app does (not that I have any reason to believe this project was actually being inefficient with API calls).

[-] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

EDIT: sorry, I read it wrong, I thought the reply says the addon "doesn't" use the remote API.

I digged a bit on the code, and every command indeed go through the cloud. So even if you use this addon, Haire can still collect a fair bit of data about you, since there is no way to communicate locally and directly to the AC.

But the addon only sends the minimum amount of data to achieve functionality, so definitely not as much data as using Haire's app.


~~Can you link to where the documentation that specify they don't use API?~~

Because I am looking at pyhOn (dependency of hon, and also being taken down), it seems like when executing a command, they do contact the cloud. Specefically

url: str = f"{const.API_URL}/commands/v1/send"
    async with self._hon.post(url, json=data) as response:
        ...

https://github.com/Andre0512/pyhOn/blob/327d4a181484d49ccbef25e470cfc86d2c5d91fa/pyhon/connection/api.py#L215 . The call to API is later used to send command:

result = await self.api.send_command(
                self._appliance,
                self._name,
                params,
                ancillary_params,
                self._category_name,
            )

https://github.com/Andre0512/pyhOn/blob/327d4a181484d49ccbef25e470cfc86d2c5d91fa/pyhon/commands.py#L142

And the API_URL indeed points to a remote API:

API_URL = "https://api-iot.he.services"

https://github.com/Andre0512/pyhOn/blob/327d4a181484d49ccbef25e470cfc86d2c5d91fa/pyhon/const.py#L2

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[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 5 points 9 months ago

Well then I guess it is pretty obvious

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[-] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 3 points 9 months ago

Haier is Hai Er in Chinese, just saying.

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