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Because the facts and law side with Texas
Lol no they don't. Paxton knows that. Federal agents always have jurisdiction over the border
Right, I mean, literally the federal government could claim 200 miles from the border in Texas and the only thing that could stop them is a bad interpretation of the law by the Supreme Court. Which probably puts it within the realm of possibility, to be honest.
I mean, they are occupying a section of the border of the entire country, and denying, through threat of violence, the federal government/military access to said border. At some point, this simply has to be read as insurrection, and put down. A country only gets to exist and enforce laws by virtue of the implied violence (physical or otherwise) that it can leverage to back it up.
Of course there are complications to this, like the thought that steamrolling these troopers would then spark a greater revolt. But when you have a state doing things like this, particularly a state that has made it abundantly clear they desire to secede and have prepared for secession, I think you need to play hardball. This could be either by forcibly bringing them back in line through state violence, or giving them what they want, in such a way that it ends up being a pyrrhic victory; imagine aggressive border protocols and removal of free travel along the Texas border, intense tariffs and duties on Texan goods, etc… honestly a Texit could be quite beneficial for the country, shifting congress balances somewhat. Add in some statehood’s for PR, Guam and DC and now you’re really cooking with gas.
Who knows though, I’m still finding it hard to believe that the Jan 6 insurrectionists weren’t mowed down in machine gun fire when they penetrated the capitol, so clearly my expectations of government reaction and what actually happens have some daylight between them.
I think having the FBI arrest the leadership is a better approach than troops killing each other.
Yeah I mean that’s fine, but you’d run the same risk there with bluff-calling and standoffs. Like clearly Texas is trying to bait the feds into either rolling over for a cheap win, or doing something that they might be able to use to spark something more significant. Not sure which is worse, but I know which one will look more weak/will incite further escalators acts on Texas’ part.
So the larger issue is that Republicans will continue pushing the goalposts until eventually a drastic action has to be taken. Better now, I think.
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particularly a state that has made it abundantly clear they desire to secede and have prepared for secession
The state GOP rejected the petition to even add secession on their primary ballot, and the state Supreme Court declined to take up the pro-secession group's request to intervene.
So it's not really accurate to broadly paint the entire state as frothing at the mouth to secede. We have a sizeable number of idiots who do, but it's objective not part of the Republican state party platform, much less the general population supporting it.
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What's the issue? Get a ton of federal agents, march on the border, arrest all obstructing Texas shitheads and beat them down with the book. Make examples out of them.
That will likely result in bloodshed. I think it's inevitable at this point unless Biden decides to completely roll over.
There's not going to be any bloodshed. Texas National Guard soldiers want to go home safely every night, just like everyone else. I think the main issue is the border patrol doesn't want a conflict.
Biden could nationalize the Texas Guard troops at the fence. Then give them a direct order to open the gate. If they don't, dishonorable discharge for disobeying a direct order from the President. No pension, no nothing. They will open the gate.
What happens after that? Does he de-nationalize them once the issue is sorted, or has Texas now lost full control permanently?
edit: I seem to have hit some nerve with a legitimate question? 7 downvotes???? I don't know how biden nationalizing the state guard works and what happens after.
Same policy as with Southern states after the Civil War.
I would argue that Texas has already done enough to be stripped of control permanently.
The reason people are downvoting you is because your question is "So what does Biden do with his authority after exercising his authority? Not exercise it more or exercise it forever?"
You think you have a gotcha, but really you just sound ignorant and angry.
WTF? There's no gotcha there.
I seriously have no idea what happens after he does it. There's 0 anger in my question just trying to understand what it actually means.
It solves the immediate problem, but whats the aftermath.
Edit: And please do tell what kind of options beside eventually giving control back, or keeping control exist? I seriously don't know.
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We already handled the “what are you going to do if we don’t follow the law” question here once, they must have just taken that part out of their history books.
I'm fine with bloodshed. SWAT the fuckers in their beds.
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The only thing Ken Paxton should be defending in court is himself for securities fraud.
In a letter to the Department of Homeland Security, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton rejected the Biden administration’s request for the state to “cease and desist”
WTF? A cease and desist is a demand, not a "request!"
That's not even quoting Texas' fascist AG or anything; that's the article writers' own spin. Why are Julia Ainsley and Zoë Richards carrying water for fascists?
Their editors told them it makes more money, I'd guess.
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Just arrest all these fuckers, starting with the Texas Governor.
The governor sucks but please start with Paxton.
Invite them both to the White House. Then arrest them at the same time
Revoke all federal funding until they comply
Use their federal funding to forcibly remove them and place them in prison. Governance of national borders is not and should not be contingent on the presumed compliance of some malicious shitheads.
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"Now stop it or we'll send another sternly-worded letter!"
Arrest the guy for obstructing federal agencies. Then send another strongly worded letter to everyone else.
If they still refuse… arrest them too.
That would be nice, wouldn't it?
Just start the civil war already, jeeze.
OR Texas can pull it's head out of its own asshole.
It's a long shot, I know.
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You really don't want that. You might not realise it now, but even if we win, those of us left will gaze at the ashes under which we buried our friends and family, and wish it hadn't happened.
Nah. Humans have driven 70% of all species to extinction. There's no species worth saving with that kind of track record. Hopefully earth will find harmony thousands or millions of years after we're gone!
If that's your take, then consider that you're talking about a civil war and it won't destroy our species, maybe not even our country, but it'll damage the planet a lot more than we already have.
War isn't good for anyone. Not us, not other animals, not the planet. Not now, not in the long-term. You only wish for it because you haven't seen it, or the aftermath, and don't know what it's like.
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Fuck it, Texas deserves to be ash then.
Rip the bandage off and get to recovery and repair faster. We’re just slowly decaying and collapsing into fascism right now.
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Dems: “Help! We sent a letter with strongest possible wording, it wasn’t effective, and we’re all out of ideas!”
How many times do conservatives have to slap Dems in the face before realizing they aren’t good faith actors?! Genocide in the Middle East, murder for fun on the southern border…what a mess.
The clear answer here is to say if Texas demands to police the boarder, all Federal boarder agents will be pulled back, and funding for boarder protection will be withheld. You can’t have it both ways.
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Republicans: We need stronger border protections!
DHS: Here's increased BPD funding and facility modernization efforts.
Republicans: No. Only death.
God I hate our state government
Also remember Ken Paxton is a criminal
They decided the pronouns of Texas are her? Awfully progressive, didn't know the state of Texas could even have a gender?
...so arrest it.
Isn’t that insurrection? The Texas government needs to be dismantled and rebuilt.
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