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[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 79 points 9 months ago

Keep em coming. Extensions are what makes FF the best browser.

[-] Vincent@feddit.nl 59 points 9 months ago

"Now" = since December 14th, the day this post was published.

[-] Kalkaline@lemmy.zip 23 points 9 months ago

I like that they're opening it up, but I don't see any "must have" extensions beyond what I already have.

[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 months ago

Sponsor block and just use YouTube in the browser instead of the app

[-] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

return dislike and ublock wile you're at it, but why not use revanced?

[-] fossphi@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

Anybody have any news on Firefox inbuilt translations? It would be fantastic if it made its way to android

[-] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 9 months ago

Dear Mozilla, we really appreciated your intentions but we don't need more extensions but Gecko Webview to compete against Google's monopoly in this area. Chrome-based browsers are far ahead when it comes to security, see for example the GrapheneOS team of developers who preferred to adopt a Chromium-based browser rather than adopting Firefox as the default browser, they don't even recommend using it

[-] Contend6248@feddit.de 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

GrapheneOS isn't a benchmark, it's a choice of a random distro essentially, others choose differently.

If you think Chromium is safer or more secure than Firefox, you are mistaking, just take a look at the changelogs of both

[-] Undertaker@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago

Changelog is not the point but the fundamental concepts and techniques. And unfortunately Chromium is far ahead.

Graphene as the most hardened OS is the benchmark. It's not random. Please inform.

[-] Contend6248@feddit.de 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Which 3rd party audit says that

Please don't link a random news site or blog post

[-] HotPurplePeach@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

I'm not a security expert so I can't say if your right on that point, but somehow I trust the Mozilla foundation much more than Google. Isn't the whole point of their browser to allow them to spy on you?

[-] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

GrapheneOS is security first, but not so privacy focused in terms of their browser. In fact, they state that explicitly in the usage guide:

Vanadium was previously primarily focused on security hardening but we plan on adding assorted privacy and usability features. In the near future, we plan to add support for always incognito mode, content filtering (ad blocking, etc.), improved state partitioning, backup/restore and many other features.

The only reason they dont recommend firefox is because it adds attack surface (of course, every app you use, adds some attack surface) and it dont have pre-site process isolation. This is NOT a privacy feature, but a exploit protection feature. Until a exploit has been discovered, with or without isolation, websites cannot interfere with each other.

Read about their browser and web browsing recommendations here: https://grapheneos.org/usage#web-browsing

Their Vanadium is, in fact, middle of the road in terms of data isolation and don't have any tracker blocker or fingerprint resistant. It is a tradeoff they made between privacy and usablity. If you want to read more: https://divestos.org/pages/browsers

I personally do agree with them that the "privacy theater" approach is not a long term solution, and we need more principled approach to privacy with proper threat model. However, currently, without more substantial research, messy privacy theater unfortunately seems to be the way to go; just like most corporations do use a anti-virus, even when they are not the way to archive "decent security".

GrapheneOS has a tendency to market their security/privacy choices as arbitrary to its users, probably to make them easier to understand. This is unfortunately enhanced by several GrapheneOS YouTubers.

Many times recommendations from GrapheneOS are strictly better than they competition, sometimes their advantage are not necessarily strict, but a tradeoff. I believe for Vanadium, their recommendation leans towards later.

Personally, I use grapheneOS with Mull.

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 6 points 9 months ago

Any recommendations? I had all the extensions I needed for some time now. Maybe except cookie autodelete. Should I install cookie autodelete or with the 3rd party cookies disabled it's not really needed?

[-] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 10 points 9 months ago

Consent-o-Matic for automating most of the cookie popups.

[-] L3mmyW1nks@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

It's a godsend and apparently installable in mobile Firefox, though not searchable or shown as available in the list of mobile extensions

[-] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I use CAD because I don't want to stay logged into amazon/chewy/target etc., when I am just browsing the product.

Personally, I only use CAD, ublock, and cleanURL. The more extensions you have, especially obscure ones, the easier you are to fingerprint.

[-] Gallardo994@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

I have tried to use Firefox on mobile for specifically this reason. Kept using for 2 weeks and just gave up because browsing experience was super laggy on S23 Ultra even with noscript (e.g. Framework laptop website). Switched to Cromite. I don't think I'm coming back to Firefox unless they do something about user experience and smoothness first, no matter the extensions count.

[-] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Curious, my Mull on GrapheneOS runs fine with extensions. I have CAD, cleanURL, and ublock enabled. I have tried Decentraleyes enabled or not enabled, both works fine on frameork's front page.

Maybe you want to disable some extensions an try again?

[-] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 3 points 9 months ago

Still waiting for this to make it to Mull...

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

It's been there for me since the whole thing started

[-] Undertaker@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago

Was one or two weeks ago done. I already can install additional extensions. Check for updates

[-] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 4 points 9 months ago

I was waiting for the Add-Ons screen to look like Iceraven's, but I see I can just install from https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/ now!

[-] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You can, mull disable extension by default to avoid fingerprinting. You just need to enable it.

Go to about:config and change privacy.resistFingerprinting.block_mozAddonManager to false.

See: https://divestos.org/pages/broken#mull

EDIT: it seems like it is changed to false by default in recent update.

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