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[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 83 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Imagine all the good that could be done with that amount of money.

[-] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 50 points 9 months ago

But imagine how much more money they can make with that money!

[-] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago
[-] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

I feel sad when number go down

[-] psy32nd@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I feel happy

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 12 points 9 months ago

Even a simple redistribution back to the people who should have been getting this money (i.e. workers) would have a profound impact on the quality of life of millions.

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago

Luxury yacht and private jet manufacturers be salivating rn.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 72 points 9 months ago

It estimated that 148 top corporations made $1.8 trillion in profits, 52 percent up on 3-year average, allowing hefty pay-outs to shareholders even as millions of workers faced a cost of living crisis as inflation led to wage cuts in real terms.

I guess we know where all this “inflation” came from.

And stop calling it "profits", it's theft. They are stealing from customers by overcharging, and they are stealing from employees by not paying them enough.

There's absolutely no reason why their workers aren't getting a large chunk of that money, especially when "profits" are up an average of 52 goddamn percent.

When the hell is enough money enough for these assholes? What are they planning to do with all this hoarded wealth? Buy a country?

[-] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They plan to buy bunkers and staff (I really do not mean hire staff, I do mean buy - they are debating how to control their staff once the economy collapses, and have floated the idea of bomb collars) to ride out the apocalypse they are actively causing.

It’s all very backward thinking. They can’t even envision not ruining the planet, they are planning for it as an inevitability.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-inside-luxury-bunkers-ultra-rich-prepare-for-doomsday-2022-9

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago

Profit is theft and it always has been.

[-] Salix@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I am confused. From what you're saying, profit shouldn't exist, only business expenses.

So a Mom and Pop shop doesn't need to make any profit to pay for their living expenses (not business) and shouldn't be allowed to have money to go on trips or vacation themselves?

Employees are able to go work to make money to spend on living costs, personal things, and vacation.

I have a friend who owns a tea shop with no employees. So she isn't allowed to make a profit? Only allowed to make enough to keep the business running? Sounds like that would be miserable. Might as well close the store and be an employee of another business.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So a Mom and Pop shop doesn’t need to make any profit to pay for their living expenses (not business) and shouldn’t be allowed to have money to go on trips or vacation themselves?

They can pay themselves a wage, which is a business expense, and then save their wages like everyone else. The only basis for profit is the exploitation of labor and unfair exchanges in the market, hence, all profit is theft.

How do you think not-for-profits and cooperatives work? They don't have profit, but no one works for free!

Your teashop friend could just as easily pay themselves to run their shop and invest whatever is left into the shop. Profit isn't necessary.

[-] Salix@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They can pay themselves a wage, which is a business expense, and then save their wages like everyone else.

Your teashop friend could just as easily pay themselves to run their shop and invest whatever is left into the shop. Profit isn’t necessary.

I find it confusing. How do you differentiate if that is a "wage" or "profit"? How does a person who owns a small business determine how much wage to pay themselves with? I would think most small business owners will just put enough money into the business expenses for how big they want their business to be, then take the rest for themselves.

A small business typically don't need as much money to reinvest back into the business itself unless they are looking to expand the business to something bigger. There is only so much you can spend for business expenses when you don't want to deal with expanding your business even bigger. Some people only want to own a small shop.

For example, my friend at the tea shop is happy with the size of their small shop. They already offer enough stock to locals. They don't want to expand anymore. She loves running a tea shop and talking to locals, but does not want to deal with running a big store with employees. But from what you're saying, they should keep reinvesting in the business, even though the business doesn't need more money to avoid making a profit.

I understand profit is an issue with bigger companies due to them stealing money from their employees by paying themselves much more, but I am trying to understand how profit shouldn't exist for a smaller / mom and pop / 1 person shop.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

If she doesn't want to expand, she can just pay herself a higher wage for doing such a good job. Profit is superfluous for her - it's probably just a tax thing in her case, where she gets a better tax deal if she pays herself with profits instead of wages.

Her "profit" is literally just the money she isn't paying herself in wages. That's what all profit is, hence, profit is theft. The fact that she is sort of stealing from herself for tax reasons just highlights how unfair tax law is imo

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago

I disagree, because profits can be used to upgrade equipment, reward employees, R&D, invest in expanding the business, etc.

When used properly, profits keep businesses healthy and self-supporting without relying on shareholders, the government, or bad actors to get involved.

But absurdly excess profits shouldn't exist, and absurdly excessive wealth hoarding by individuals should never be allowed to happen.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's not what profits are.

Profits are the what is left over after upgrading equipment, paying employees, doing R&D, investing in expansion, and every other business expense. Profit is literally the money left after subtracting expenses from revenue. All profit is wealth hoarding, definitionally.

Profit is theft and it always has been.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

In business, you can't predict what your expenses will be next year or in 10 years, so you need profit to act as a buffer. Some years, your revenue exceeds your expectations, and you profit that year.

This could allow you to spend more money on those legitimate business expenses next year, or bank it for years when your expenses exceed your revenue.

Even a non-profit has to have leftover to bank for the future, expand, etc.

But consistently having billions in profit tells me that there's a massive problem somewhere, and it's more than likely as a result of wage theft or gouging customers.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's not what profit is either! Funds that are set aside for future expenses or to act as a buffer are also just business expenses.

Profit is purely the money that is left after all that shit. Profit is the money the business owner and/or shareholders take for themselves, after everything (investing, saving, wages, everything) has been subtracted. Profit is literally only the money they take for themselves.

Your impression isn't unique - most Americans don't really understand what profit is. But like I said, profit is theft and it always has been.

[-] realitista@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Actually he's correct as to the dictionary definition of profit. What you are describing are called dividends in business parlance.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The dictionary defines profit as "income in excess of costs" i.e. subtract all expenditures from revenue, that's profit. It gets more complicated, there's gross profit vs net profit, but money that is specifically set aside by the business for the future is an operating cost.

Dividends are just a way for profits to be distributed to shareholders.

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[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I guess that's how modern corporations are using profits.

I come from a small business and charity background, so salaries/wages/employee benefits would be considered a business expense. Profits would be banked and used to cover expenses in the future.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

It's different on a small scale because the line between "business expenses" and "personal expenses" can sometimes get blurred. Though technically, if the money is earmarked for future use then it is definitely not profit. That's a business expense.

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[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 8 points 9 months ago

They are buying countries - or parts of it. For example Larry Ellison bought Lanai, which is an Hawaiian Island. There are probably more examples.

And that rich people are building sophisticated bunkers is a known fact.

[-] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 8 points 9 months ago

A trillion is a million millions, or a thousand billions. That’s a truly unfathomable number.

[-] explodicle@local106.com 5 points 9 months ago

Isn't that all inflation and all profits? There's a pretty clear correlation with inequality for both.

[-] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 43 points 9 months ago

That's nothing, I once quadrupled my wealth by finding $20 in an old jacket.

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[-] Smite6645@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 9 months ago
[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

The truth here is so simple and petty... Corporations and the psychopaths who run them saw COVID as a personal sleight, an attack on them personally. Period.

When things started to eventually "Open up" and financial numbers started to recover, it wasn't enough to just rebound, they had to take revenge on society and get rolling, record profits through gouging, shrinkflation, etc.

Really and truly, this is what happened. Even if they didn't know what was driving them necessarily, they are such broken narcissists that the motivation was/is, "You took from ME, and there are the severe and prolonged consequences for that".

100%

[-] runiq@feddit.de 25 points 9 months ago

Man they gon be so tasty when we finally get to eat them

[-] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Never been a worse time to be vegan

[-] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago

Vegans are allowed the exception on moral grounds.

[-] PixellatedDave@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Thinking about this. I am a vegan because of the killing and exploitation. What sauce do you reckon goes well with side of rich guy.

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[-] SpezBroughtMeHere@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

You're the only one stopping you.

[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 24 points 9 months ago

I wonder when people will just lose it and start culling these guys for real.

You have lower class people fighting each other in the mud over "welfare queens" and nobody seems to be reaching the logical conclusion that the real enemy is up in that ivory tower.

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago

I wonder when people will just lose it and start culling these guys

I know you were being rhetorical but to expand on that anyway, for many very good reasons not until enough people realize it's the only way anything will get better for us, and a short bit after we realize they won't hesitate to do the same.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

The fun thing is if the powder keg goes off they are infinitely more exposed if they want to spend their money. Poor people can just walk back into the crowd and blend with the masses. Rich people are going to want to spend their money on services and services usually means blindly trusting a chain of labor. Even if you micromanage your services you can't watch over the entire supply/service chain...

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[-] onlooker@lemmy.ml 23 points 9 months ago

Thanks, I was feeling a little too happy today.

[-] sandevistan@lemm.ee 16 points 9 months ago

Finance is a dead god rotting and we will fight the maggots for every scrap of hydrocarbon rich waste

[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

i still can't believe we were meant to accept 'we're actively gambling on the buildings' as a viable excuse for why people should return to the office

[-] loutr@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago

Well that's the actual reason, the productivity bullshit is the excuse.

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[-] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago

The Lockdowns ended up being poison to the middle class. Not to mention horrible for the mental health of millions and removed the development of children in specific demographics. :-(

[-] QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 months ago

Someone is just going to literally eat them at this point out of spite

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The world's five wealthiest men have more than doubled their wealth since 2020, while five billion people have been made poorer, according to a new report by British charity Oxfam.

It estimated that 148 top corporations made $1.8 trillion in profits, 52 percent up on 3-year average, allowing hefty pay-outs to shareholders even as millions of workers faced a cost of living crisis as inflation led to wage cuts in real terms.

"This inequality is no accident; the billionaire class is ensuring corporations deliver more wealth to them at the expense of everyone else," Oxfam International interim Executive Director, Amitabh Behar, said.

To address the imbalance, the charity urged governments to curb corporate power by breaking monopolies, instituting taxes on excess profit and wealth, and promoting alternatives to shareholder control like forms of employee ownership.

"Corporate power is used to drive inequality: by squeezing workers and enriching wealthy shareholders, dodging taxes, and privatizing the state," Oxfam said.

"Around the world, members of the private sector have relentlessly pushed for lower rates, more loopholes, less transparency, and other measures aimed at enabling companies to contribute as little as possible to public coffers," Oxfam said.


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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 9 months ago

The good news is that they all deserved it! /s

[-] OpenStars@startrek.website 5 points 9 months ago

Can we switch to an alternative timeline yet?

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