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[-] GreenAppleTree@lemmy.world 183 points 1 year ago

Most importantly, they're searchable on the internet.

[-] Black616Angel@feddit.de 123 points 1 year ago

Discord isn't even really searchable on discord. It was never meant for this kind of stuff and it shows.

[-] snowsuit2654 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What? Discord search is great. You can search by users, channels, text string, attachment file type, date, etc.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 89 points 1 year ago

Ok, so say something is up with my car and i want to look into fixing it. I'm not in any car discord servers, so how do i find what is up with my car with? I can search all the dates and users i want, but i wont find anything useful. 10 years ago i could have just googled my make and model with with problem and the first link would have been a Saturn owners forum i never heard of with a thread detailing the problem thoroughly as well as estimates of how much i can expect to pay to fix it. Discord is just a modern IRC; it's great for talking with your buddies in real time and having that all be logged, but it's a terrible way to find information.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago

Lol yeah, now when you search google for stuff like that the experience is:

You find a website with a link to an owner’s enthusiast discord for your car’s model.

But then once you join you have access to one channel called #rules

Then you figure out you have to react to that one message in that channel with a tire burning out emoji and you get access to another channel called #introductions where you have to describe yourself and your car.

Then if a mod thinks it’s genuine, they’ll let you in to the other channels.

You finally get in and search for your issue. Your issue is really specific, but you don’t know the technical terms to search for, so your keyword of “brake squeaking” pulls up all a massive unorganized list of results purely sorted by post date of anything including those keywords, no way to sort by relevancy or popularity, so you scroll, and you scroll.

You find one message that is close, but you need more info. But before you can post in the #help channel you have to make 3 posts in #general (to fight spam of course).

Finally, after succeeding in the requirements, you copy a link to the message you found in search and post in #help.

A mod tells you to use the search, that question has been answered. You explain that you already did but you’re not sure exactly what to search for. You are now banned

Discord’s walled garden and conversational approach is awful for gestalt knowledge storage and access.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

I hate Discord for the reason you mentioned but I remember having to jump through hoops on forums too. Shit sucked, but at least it was searchable and readable without having to do anything

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[-] Black616Angel@feddit.de 42 points 1 year ago

All the others have good examples, but I mean something different.

If you search in a forum, you most likely get a thread dedicated to only your problem or something very similar with lots of matching answers (best case)

In Discord you find a question by someone with your exact problem and then 40 messages about other problems, cause there is only a single "problems" channel. This is a god awful experience.

[-] missphant 19 points 1 year ago

It works until you wanna search for something that's somewhat similar to a common word. The other day I wanted to look for a discussion I've had about OpenAL, went to search for it and it showed everything with the word "open" in it. There's no further control so you're just at the mercy of what the search thinks you want, and this happens way too often.

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[-] mathematicalMagpie@lemm.ee 115 points 1 year ago

If you thought Reddit or Lemmy mods were bad, wait until you deal with a forum admin on a power trip.

[-] MimicJar@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago

They're the same people. If someone is on a power trip, it suck regardless.

[-] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Yeah plus mods do all the shit the rest of us don’t want to do

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[-] TAG@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I always find it weird when people complain about getting banned by "power tripping mods". I have only had a few encounters with a moderator who I thought was being overly obsessive about arbitrary rules. Most of my time, I did not care to resubmit contents to a group who did not want to see it anyways. The few times that I did, I carefully tried to address the moderators objections and my repost was allowed.

Sure, there are definitely some idiots who are obsessed with their perfect view of what should be said on a forum, but most of the time that I have seen, it is a user who cannot act right and doubles down on their stupid when they get called out on it.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 112 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Linear forums sucked. Reddit provided the sane solution: nested comments and vote-based sorting.

Last month someone linked to Something Awful, for a thread about the site's greatest stories. Cramping my scroll-wheel finger and wearing out my patience, forty tall-ass posts at a time, each of them festooned with signatures and animated GIFs and a mile of whitespace - I cannot tell you instantly exhausting it was to see the thread had four hundred pages. Seeing any one question answered required scrolling through ten of them. X mentions a thing, Y asks about it a page and a half later, and Z jokes about it three pages on, and then fffinally someone tells Y what's going on.

This is interest poison. This is a format that actively targets engagement and destroys it. Did you miss a day or two? Kiss it goodbye, because you're never going to catch up and still give a shit.

[-] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago

Problem with reddit is that everyone thinks they're a comedian and people just upvote the same repeated jokes over and over. You still have to wade though tons of garbage to find the good stuff, and thats after filtering tons of shit with RES. Reddit was great at one point but it got exhausting.

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[-] Aasikki@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

Never really put my finger on why, but that must be the reason I've never been active on any forums, just lurking, but I've always been very much active on Reddit and now lemmy. Combine that with the need to register an account to all the different forums and the fact that you can't catch up to all of them from a single front page.

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[-] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago

Forums never went anywhere. It's just that the techno hipsters found something new.

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Forums never went anywhere

sadly it appears that they all but have. so many projects out there decide that Discord should be the only way to discuss development, report bugs, or offer tech support.

[-] pipe01@programming.dev 36 points 1 year ago

Forums didnt, but users did

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Like WTF is a comment section under a post if not a type of forum?

[-] lunarul@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is. Slack and Discord didn't kill forums, Reddit did. Because Reddit is a mega-forum. Instead of creating a specialized forum somewhere on a website you need to maintain, it's easier to just create a subreddit. Bam, new forum!

And we're discussing the disappearance of forums on a forum...

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

Those who do not understand Usenet are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.

[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago

I sign on to Usenet occasionally just to feel like I'm part of some global secret society.

[-] bramblepatchmystery@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 year ago

You don't get that from being here?

My wife and family thinks all of you are spies or drug runners.

[-] MethodicalSpark@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Lemmy is basically the dark web to your average instagram user.

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[-] yokonzo@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

Posts a problem on a thread

PLEASE SEARCH BEFORE YOU ASK A QUESTION. THREAD HAS BEEN CLOSED, HERES A LINK TO THE RULES

searches with incorrect wording or phrasing and tries again

PLEASE WAIT 30 SECONDS BEFORE SEARCHING AGAIN

Finds tangentially related thread but not quite your problem and posts to it to see if anyone has had similar issues

BANNED FOR NECROING

extra points if you do it through facepunch

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[-] madelena@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 year ago

So that's the reason why in the Star Trek future there's a whole chunk of 21st Century history missing. Not because of a global war, but because everyone was posting on Slack, Discord, and gated social networks.

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[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago

Discord for a group of your friends? Fantastic. Discord for a game/company/organization? Miserable.

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago

i never understood why anyone would want to use discord for anything else than friends or small communities

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[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Waiting on federated forums to become a thing. I guess one could host a simple phpBB forum and let users create sub forums or categories for their own use?

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 69 points 1 year ago

oooooh we could call it Lenny

[-] Esqplorer@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 year ago
[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

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[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago
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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Seriously, Discord is so chaotic I can't even use it.

[-] JustAnotherRando@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I don't really see a lot of overlap between these technologies. To me, forums are useful for getting help / sharing knowledge on a particular topic, reporting bugs / checking for known issues in an application or product... Things like that, where the organization and retention of the information is a benefit.
Discord is a place for keeping up with friends, finding a group for a game, or discussing something current with people that share an interest (e.g. discussing the latest episode of X show). Slack is for keeping up with current things and chatting with team members at work, and following alerts for an application that you're supporting (because that's way better than email alerts). I recognize that there are people that use these technologies differently, but they each have their own niche that I wouldn't want to use the others for. Forums are not a great tool for instant communication or relatively "chaotic" discussion (it's a lot harder to follow the splitting chains of thought compared to breaking side conversations into threads that are still easy to follow along in a channel), and nobody wants to constantly refresh to keep up with the conversation.

[-] Perfide@reddthat.com 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To me, forums are useful for getting help / sharing knowledge on a particular topic, reporting bugs / checking for known issues in an application or product... Things like that, where the organization and retention of the information is a benefit.

I absolutely agree with you. The problem is, increasingly others are not agreeing with us. Soooo many projects that fall into this category have 100% of all information(even documentation!) related to the project ONLY available on Discord.

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

Jokes on you, i never left forums.

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[-] malle_yeno@pawb.social 21 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying that discord servers for support are a good solution -- I think the problems with archiving and search alone should disqualify it as a support platform.

But forums have their own problems. I think it's weird that forum advocates don't seem to consider why it started to fade as a medium. Individual accounts for each forum, the need for active moderation of threads for relevancy, and practices that made for negative user experiences like rules against necroing are all valid reasons (among others) for why people moved away from forums. And I can't think of a great way to prevent the "I need help!!" thread titles besides having moderators or approvals.

Knowledge management is hard, there's a reason why library science is a master's level degree lol

[-] ARk@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

You cannot possibly expect people to sit there after they type their shit frothing in the mouth waiting for any reply or stimulation because you deprived them of the ability to send their floaty emojis and see numbers move around. Imagine that.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Notifications, up/down votes, and emojis exists even on forums. You're using one that supports them right now

[-] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I don't know how people can stand large chatrooms

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[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

The thread games you could play in forums were better than anything reddit clones and irc clones could muster.

[-] FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

wikis for knowledge, IM for socialization. forums for serious discussion? thank god i don’t have to manage this stuff i have no idea what i’m saying

[-] pbsds@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

I like how Discourse is becoming more and more popular for FOSS communities, but would love if it supported federation

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[-] vexikron@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can do forums for a community on Steam.

You can do real time chatting on Steam.

You even have a huge set of emojis!

You can also do real time voice comms via Steam, even in a group setting.

You can also stream your game, or with a little bit of tomfoolerly, your desktop, or other applications, via Steam.

This all works on basically all OSs at this point, and a large part of it works on mobile as well.

Steam is also way, waaay more secure than Discord.

And you also get MySpace-esque customizable personal homepages for yourself.

From a technical standpoint... here you go here is your solution for basically all kinds of social media/online interaction.

Why do more people not recognize this or use it this way?

/Because the vast, vast majority of internet users are uninformed, highly susceptible to peer pressure , and love to build and follow social norms for superficial reasons./

When it comes to socializing on the internet, the vast, vast majority of people will /say/ they would prefer to use some kind of system that works some kind of way, and then not actually do that and instead just go with whatever most of their friends are using, or with what is wildly popular, or with whatever some niche community they are interested in is using.

If you have ever looked at much market research data, for basically anything really, but especially tech and double especially video games, you will soon realize the vast majority of people are hypocritical and inconsistent about a great many things, and seem to /think/ they care about things that their /actions/ clearly indicate they do not really actually care about.

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