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[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 232 points 9 months ago

This is not a zero sum game. there's no competition. We can deal with both problems, we don't have to pick a side.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 68 points 9 months ago

Well yes, and the starting point is by dismissing the myth that the double standards are not applied to everyone. They are applied differently, but it is not something that only affects one group of people.

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 55 points 9 months ago

Is that really a myth? Because it feels like the only time this point is brought up is to "dispel the myth", not the myth itself which I frankly can't recall having ever heard.

My theory is that it's actually a mix of angry dudes feeling excluded because they weren't explicitly included by women talking about their own struggles, and of the fact that men just generally don't talk about their struggles. So the coverage feels disproportional and the only time the subject gets brought up it's because some angry misogynist managed to weave it into an "us vs them" discourse.

Men's mental health is a huge conversation to have but it's extremely disheartening that in the mainstream conversation it always pops up through misogyny.
So in the spirit of actually doing something about men's mental health, here's some actual discourse on the subject

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[-] BeardedSingleMalt@kbin.social 83 points 9 months ago

I'm convinced the current influencer body standard for women (huge asses, giant lips, etc) was some joke by plastic surgeons and they just rolled with it

[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 17 points 9 months ago

Apparently anyone can become a plastic surgeon because I'd never get any sleep if I made people look like that.

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[-] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago

Dude I like seeing sexy people on tv. If I want to look at something mediocre I can just look in a mirror.

[-] watersnipje 13 points 9 months ago

You look mediocre? Lucky.

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[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago
[-] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

and Amphetamines

yea bro we could actually get everything we would all look like that and all die at 50

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[-] 5redie8@sh.itjust.works 52 points 9 months ago

Me, spending 6 months fighting with (and losing to) body dysmorphia but not knowing what it was, since I'm a man and no one told me:

[-] Marebear@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

As a woman it took 15 years before I found out what was wrong, at the time of finally seeing someone about it they said this was an average amount of time it takes to get help.

I hope you’re doing better now.

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[-] TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago

Has anyone ever said the first statement up there in the top-left? I wouldn't doubt there's some fringe group that would, but I also think they would be in the vast minority and you'd need to specifically go looking to find it. I dislike this kind of meme for that reason, it's sowing a divide that doesn't need to exist.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 37 points 9 months ago

I have heard it regularly for a few decades now in person and media. When the dad bod picked up in popularity it was used as an example of how "men don't have to follow beauty standards" while ignoring all of the other expectations.

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Last time I heard the term "dad bod", it was an article about how when they polled women for an example of one, the top answer was "Chris Hemsworth"

[-] Thatsalotofpotatoes@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

Yeah, it's the water. That's the problem

[-] Poggervania@kbin.social 31 points 9 months ago

Only part of it, but it’s kinda crazy that studios can go “hey, you need to literally dehydrate yourself for this shot so your veins and muscles can pop out more easily.”

But this is also the industry where Stanley Kubrick practically abused his actors and is a celebrated director, so…

[-] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 12 points 9 months ago

To be fair you can make amazing movies and be a shit person

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

Actors careers really seem to be at the whim of industry insiders. Harvey Weinstein was able to get away with his shit for decades.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

It’s a lot of things. It’s a diet so strict and regimented it controls your life, same for exercise, and then they dehydrate for days. Is the water why random person on Lemmy doesn’t look like that? No, that’s because nobody looks like that unless it’s their job to look like that or it’s their only hobby or they have serious mental health issues pushing them that way. But it is dangerous for most people to even try because yeah it involves a lot of risky decisions and they don’t even look like that all the time

[-] foggianism@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago

None of those guys have a healthy hard-worker or warrior body. They all have a dehydrated, 1% body fat gym bro body, just like Hollywood wants us to believe a healthy man looks like.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 9 months ago

blessed be the thor design from God Of War

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

actually none of them look particularly dehydrated. They just look like they're straight from a good pump. Dehydrated would leave them very veiny, like, prominently.

This is what dehydrated looks like

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Except the actors have talked about it.

I remember Hugh Jackman specifically talked about it in an interview as part of why he wanted to stop being wolverine. He was getting tired of the unhealthy regime of dehydrating to look as clean cut as possible.

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[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 29 points 9 months ago

I've gone longer than 3 days without water and I look nothing like those guys. Wtf?

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 16 points 9 months ago

Have you tried hiring a personal trainer and using 'supplements'?

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[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

This feels like "I'm 14 and this is deep" content.

It's obvious that all Hollywood, social media and advertising models are not the average person. Are there really people that think men would be exempt from this? I doubt many.

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[-] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

Apparently no one is allowed to have body hair.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

What's weird is that hairy chests were considered the sexy style in the 70's and 80's, and then it suddenly changed. I blame Arnold.

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[-] ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social 25 points 9 months ago

There's a big difference in body image set by men for women and body image set for men by men

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 32 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Every study shows that the vast majority of men are perfectly fine with a very wide range of women's bodies.

[-] greencactus@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Can you link one of them you consider credible? I've never heard of that, tbh.

[-] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They said every study, so just find one, obviously. /s

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[-] klemptor@startrek.website 22 points 9 months ago
[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

did you expect "muscle & fitness" to have hugh jackman with the jumper on, or "good housekeeping" to have him tearing apart chores with claws?

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Sure well defined muscles are aesthetically pleasing, but not nessa to be considered hot by most of the people you'll date

[-] Lesrid@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Very true, in my experience lots of women like the idea of strength from big muscles but don't really care to see the striated muscle fibers in a cut look. Hell some are turned off by the vasculature of my hands.

EDIT: Guys in comic books are ripped for the dudes reading them. I imagine the same is true for movie stars.

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[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

In case anyone is hoping to achieve the left side of the picture remember every one of the is on PEDs

[-] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 9 months ago

Hollywood's standards for women are just a normal woman's body. Hollywood's standard for men is the body of a greek god.

[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 47 points 9 months ago

I agree with your second statement. Though your first statement is borderline moronic.

[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 27 points 9 months ago

Nothing "borderline" about it. That statement is 100% moronic.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 16 points 9 months ago

I'm struggling to think of any famous women who look like they weigh 170 lbs. It's either Margot Robbie or Lizzo, there's not a lot in between

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