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submitted 1 year ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

The former president files several fresh motions to toss out Fulton County election interference charges

Attorneys for Donald Trump claim that the former president didn’t have “fair notice” that his attempts to reverse his Georgia loss in the 2020 presidential election could result in criminal charges against him.

A flurry of filings in Fulton County Superior Court on Monday argue that the sprawling election interference case against Mr Trump “consists entirely of core political speech at the zenith of First Amendment protections”.

Attorneys for the former president want the case dismissed on grounds that he has “presidential immunity” from actions while in office, that he was already acquitted for similar allegations in his second impeachment trial, and that he was never told that what he was doing in the state – where he is charged as part of an alleged racketeering scheme to unlawfully subvert the state’s election results – could be prosecuted.

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[-] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 305 points 1 year ago

Say it with me friends

Ignorance of the law is no excuse

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago

It worked for Jr. Apparently he was too stupid to collude with Russia, despite his best efforts.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 year ago

Being too stupid to do it is different from I didn't know. Though both are bad.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

The next trump legal argument: "yer honor I'm literally too dumb to commit crimes"

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[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Ignorance of the law is no excuse

Unless you're a cop illegally detaining someone for breaking a non-existent law

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[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 153 points 1 year ago

Wait, I remember this one...

[-] Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

From the before times. 🥲

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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 107 points 1 year ago

“Our country has a longstanding tradition of forceful political advocacy regarding widespread allegations of fraud and irregularities in a long list of presidential elections throughout our history, therefore, President Trump lacked fair notice that his advocacy in the instance of the 2020 presidential election could be criminalized,” according to his attorneys.

Calling what he did "political advocacy" is a bit like calling what Jeffrey Dahmer did an "alternative diet"....

[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

I swear they're about to take the Hitler defense. Just say, "yeah! We did it! We tried to overthrow the government! But only because we looooooove this country so much... And sure, sure, y'all say we're racist, but it's clear you don't understand just how racist we are. We are waaaaaay more racist than you can even conceive."

Then his idiot followers will talk about how he speaks the truth and says what's on his mind and he'll get locked up for, like, a year, during which time he'll pen his horrible instruction manual on how to destroy our country.

[-] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago
[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Shit, you copyright that title right the fuck now.

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[-] Nougat@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure everyone in the federal government has had plenty of notice, since the US Constitution grants States the sole authority to operate elections.

[-] Granite@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

I’m stealing this.

What? No one warned me that stealing was illegal!

[-] Rootiest@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago

Firstly: of course he knew it was illegal.

Secondly: ignorance of the law does not give you immunity from breaking it

[-] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Firstly: of course he knew it was illegal.

Secondly: ignorance of the law does not give you immunity

Third: he assumed no one was taping him committing said crime, if they had not done that he would have simply denied it and his cult would have accepted that lie, as always

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[-] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 81 points 1 year ago

Ignorance of the law does not absolve you of the consequences for breaking that law.

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[-] profoundninja@sh.itjust.works 62 points 1 year ago

Human so morally bankrupt needs minimum notice period before committing crimes otherwise it's unfair to judge him on said crimes.

Right...

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[-] withnail@infosec.pub 59 points 1 year ago

What's next? Sovereign citizen bullshit?

Judge, I'm a natural born... what was it... citizen. You cannot charge me for anything. It's true! Just look at the charters! Those, uhm, charters. I was merely traveling through Georgia. You have to let me go right now. Believe me, I know my rights!

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago

Maritime law, folks. They don't want you to know about the - you know we have fantastic maritime laws in this country. Some of the best, maybe better than anyone else. We used to have them at least, but the radical leftists won't tell you about that. When I walk into the courtroom - and these are corrupt places, let me tell you. A lot of people are talking about how unfairly people are treated here, especially if you're the president. And when you're the president you know a thing or two about courtrooms, folks. I start talking about the courts and the law and the maritime law and everyone listening - many of them lawyers, some of which have good genes, very good genes, folks, some of them are Jewish - I hear a lot lawyers are Jewish but I don't know - when I talk about the courts they say "sir! Sir! How do you know so much about courts and law?" I don't know, folks, but maybe it's natural talent. But when you walk into the courtroom and you see the judges and the lawyers and the bailiff out to get you but you also see the tassels on the flag - they're beautiful tassels, folks. One on each corner of the beautiful American flag. Golden, too. Everyone will tell you that I love gold, I have a lot of things painted gold in Mar A Lago. But when you see the tassels you know it has to be maritime law, not the phony, corrupt laws they use in New York, or Georgia, or Colorado. It's gotta be the maritime law. But there's no sailors in the court so you know - we used to have fantastic sailors in this country, they'd sail huge distances on the oceans. Maybe hundreds of miles, very far. Very far folks. They were in the Navy but maybe on other boats, too. But when you don't see them in the courtroom you know they there's no maritime law. But when you see the beautiful gold tassels on the beautiful American flag you know there's supposed to be maritime law happening, but it's not happening, so you know it's all corrupt. It needs to be thrown out. It means I'm exonerated and everyone knows it. A lot of people are saying it. Very smart people.

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[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

Jack Smith spelled his name DONALD TRUMP and since it's in all caps, it's not really Donald Trump the person!

[-] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 43 points 1 year ago

and that he was never told that what he was doing in the state – where he is charged as part of an alleged racketeering scheme to unlawfully subvert the state’s election results – could be prosecuted

All the murderers on death row are like "that works?!", as they rush to call a lawyer.

Narrator: It does not.

[-] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago

After getting caught in a bank robbery, stealing thousands of dollars and traumatizing bystanders, the robber can just say: "No one gave me a fair notice this was illegal"

Is that pretty much the level of this claim?

[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I'd be like entering Fast 5 into evidence.

See your honor? The good guys were the robbers! They also love America and occasionally fuck members of their family.

[-] DeadNinja@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Hey, I just tried to break into my school principal's room on a weekend to change my exam grade - because, you know, bad grades don't look good on me - BUT WHY IS THIS BEING MADE INTO SUCH A TOPIC ????"

[-] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

“I didn’t see any sign on the door that said ‘breaking and entering not allowed,’ so how I was I to know?”

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sign, sign

Everywhere a sign

Blockin' out the scenery

Breakin' my mind

Do this, don't do that

Can't you read the sign?

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[-] Hello_there@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago

Next time that I'm caught speeding, I'll just claim that I didn't know that speeding was illegal. That should work.

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

This defense doesn't even work in the context of his specific case. He was told by staffers that what he was attempting to do was illegal and he made the phone call anyway. How much "fair notice" do you need to double check that you're not committing a crime when told by people whose job it is to do all of the research for you ahead of time?

Ignorance of the law is not a defense for breaking it, and this should be as damning as a confession of guilt.

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[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Trump: You never told me you'd prosecute me for election interference!

Georgia: You never asked!

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

So did he just think that his 44 predecessors never thought to try?

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

So did he just think

well...

[-] 108@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

with all this lack of knowledge it sounds like he shouldn't be in office.

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[-] nbafantest@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty certain we know his lawyers told him it was illegal

[-] poprocks@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure a 5 yr old could have told him it's illegal.

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[-] st3ph3n@midwest.social 26 points 1 year ago

We've been told pretty much forever that ignorance of the law is no defense, so shut the fuck up, Donny.

[-] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

"stfu Donny, you're out of your element" ... "life does not stop and start at your convenience you miserable piece of shit."

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

He is also claiming presidential immunity. That’s classic narcissistic prayer.

[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

"Can't tell if obviously-criminal things are illegal", and "still thinks he should be president" 🤡

[-] medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Wait a minute, can this be considered a confession? "Yes, I did it, BUT..." ?

[-] Uglyhead@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Narcs Prayer (again):

That didn't happen.

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

And if it was, that's not a big deal.

And if it is, that's not my fault. <——

And if it was, I didn't mean it.

And if I did, you deserved it.

__

These are more of phases or stages of malignant NPD thinking. They can circle and circle and mix around again and again kind of like the ‘5 Stages of Grief’ can do.

[-] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Ignorance of the law has always been my excuse, he says from jail

[-] PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Goddammit. The environments going to shit, 3 people own everything and we're STILL DEALING WITH THIS ASSHOLE! TRUMP IS A BOIL ON US ALL.

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[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I cannot count the number of times I've seen the phrase, "Ignorance of the law is not a defense."

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[-] angelsomething@lemmy.one 16 points 1 year ago

lol. He’s now trying the “officer, I didn’t know I couldn’t do that” defence.

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[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

The "Chappelle's White Friend" defense.

[-] SoupBrick@yiffit.net 12 points 1 year ago

They are just dragging this out as long as humanly possible in hopes that trump will win the election. It is kinda sad seeing how incompetent the US court systems have become. I know this is a very sensitive case, but the violence they fear will occur should be treated as the terrorism it is. We shouldn't have to worry about violent retribution from lead poisoned adults with guns if their god is not crowned king.

[-] Kronusdark@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I've seen judges go off the handle for less stupidity.

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Ahh, it's the old "you never prosecuted me for anything before, you can't start now" defense.

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