Since taking office at the beginning of 2023, Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has been thinking about ways to make the Bundeswehr more attractive as a career.
No amount of money or benefits will ever make me a government's boot licker. Sorry, not sorry
Maybe you personally. But money would actually solve all their problems.
All they provide today is a shitty job with bad pay and no future prospects.
They are not finding enough soldiers because all these soft modern young adults are too selfish for that job, just like companies find no employees because those spoiled brats are too lazy to work. Obviously none of it has to do with not providing reasonable payments of course. So forced labor is the the proposed solution.
I believe it is a good idea, not only will it foster a closer feeling of unity and understanding between citizens, it will also be something all citizens have in common, and something you can talk about with anyone.
I am a bit sad that I never got to do it, I did muster, but failed the hearing test, at the time I was relieved, but now, I miss it sort of.
Being forced to risk your life for something you don't believe in won't create a feeling of unity.
So you don't believe in fighting against invasion by a foregin power?
In what reality would Germany ever get invaded and not deserve it?
Why do you think they deserve it now?
They're sending weapons to Saudi Arabia and Israel. They put sanctions on Afghanistan that are causing a famine. They're funding Frontex, which kills migrants in the Mediterranean and those who make it get put into concentration camps. And that's just some of it. The German government are war criminals and serial human rights abusers. Anyone who takes up arms to defend these people is complicit.
And don't forget Germany never underwent denazification
While I don't know how accurate this statement is, I do wonder how you would go about doing it now, so far after the war.
Where would you even start?
What criteria would you use to determine the nazi index of every person, what index value would be the threashhold, who would decide on who is nazi and who is nice.
It would be very easy just take people who use to be in the party and kick them out like they should have at the get-go. Not that it matters because they have very little animus to do so.
Do the Nazi party still exist in germany?
I believe there's a party with a lot of the same values fighting to be allowed onto the ballots.
Ok, I agree with ypu on some of the points, and I can see why you disagree with the actions of the military
So you don't believe in freedom? Being forced by anyone to give your life for something is slavery.
There's no invasion?
Correct, I am glad you sre keeping up!
My question was hypothetical.
Your question was nonsensical
I disagree.
That's just dumb. War is good make friends ugh ugh bonk
Technically it is true, war has created plenty of friendships that would not have existed otherwise.
However, that is not what I wrote, I wrote that compulsory millitary service is in general a good idea and that one of benefits is unity and understanding between citizens.
I know, I know, I'm making fun of you
Why are you doing that?
Because you are finding a trivial benefit to something bad and pretending that's normal. You can go be a scout, have a sports team, a million other things to have camaraderie. But no, you want the fucking military. In a time when everybody is jerking off to war and finding excuses to enact shit you want the army because friends.
Yes you are right on all those points, but the topic was mandatory military service, not scouting, joining a sports team or a million other things.
Is it strange that I focus on the topic of conversation and not list irrelevant topics?
No, not at all, it's just that you support mandatory military service.
Neither of the other options are mandatory, and the strange thing is that you support the one that is besides being mandatory it is also deadly, if you're in the system at the wrong time. You think that the possibility of making friends counterweights the high chance of death and life long injuries, and that's just crazy.
If nobody wants to do the job, maybe the solution is to make it more attractive, instead of making it mandatory.
If you want to bring people together create a program to do such thing. Forcing them into a shooting at people and dropping bombs course is the worst thing you could possibly come up with.
Again, I said it was a good idea, not the be all end all of bringing people together, that is just one benefit of mandatory service.
You guys are really trying to misunderstand me.
I'm with ya OP.
First world militaries do a hell of a lot more than fight. For example, talking to a young guy at a party last night and the older host. Kid's a Navy SIGINT guy, host is about to retire from commercial sailing. They got to chatting and the kid had been monitoring threats in the area the host's ship had passed through in '21.
After Hurricane Ivan the Florida Guard rolled in and saved our asses. After Katrina my ex-FIL led the Mississippi guard into south MS. They cut houses in half to open the roads.
You're able to refuse active military service and will be put into a civil service position. No one is forced to "shoot at people".
cold war 2.0 is as shitty as the first one
TIL they had that.
Austria still does
forced labour is slavery
maybe folks would sign up to protect their country if they thought it deserved to be protected, or was doing anything for them
Do you say the same about jury duty?
In my opinion, as long as the system for who is required to participate is fair and equitable, then it's fair to consider it a civil duty.
the system for who is required to participate has practically never been fair and equitable, jury duty is not comparable to military service, and forced labour is slavery
civil jury duty is a really weird example to use anyway, since civil jury trials are practically non existent outside the USA
practically never
Soooo... sometimes.
Jury duty is also compulsory labour.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Since taking office at the beginning of 2023, Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has been thinking about ways to make the Bundeswehr more attractive as a career.
As journalist and defense and security policy expert Thomas Wiegold told DW: "A major frustration in the Bundeswehr is the bureaucracy.
When Pistorius floated his ideas about conscription in December, he faced a barrage of criticism, including from within his own center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD).
Party co-chair Saskia Esken said it would be impossible to implement mandatory recruitment on an ad hoc basis "because the training units required for this are no longer available."
"The reintroduction of compulsory service would be a serious encroachment on the freedom of young people who want to orient themselves professionally," FDP parliamentary group leader Christian Dürr warned in an interview with the Funke Mediengruppe.
"Who would have thought around two years ago that the Bundestag would decide on setting up a special fund of €100 billion for the Bundeswehr against the backdrop of a Russian war of aggression?"
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The number of people who think conscription is just getting ferried to a frontline with a sandwich and a thumbs up is baffling.
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