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A clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a landmark poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK fully leaving the EU single market and customs unions.

The survey of more than 2,000 UK voters also finds strikingly low numbers of people who believe that Brexit has been of benefit to them or the country.

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[-] li10@lemmy.ml 137 points 2 years ago

It’s become undeniable.

My mother was all in on Brexit, she started out fiercely declaring it’s what the country needed.

Then she said it’s going to benefit the country soon, then said it needs some time.

Then she said that everything going wrong was unrelated to Brexit. Then said its not that bad, and the eventual positives will balance out.

That’s the opinion shifting over the years. She now admits it was a mistake, “but how could we have known?!?”…

[-] appel@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago

At least your mom acknowledges it was a mistake.

[-] mr_strange@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 years ago

Your Mum's journey seems quite positive, overall. Is she now in favour of re-joining? If not, then she still has a long way to go.

[-] BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago

My Dad has a good pension and a good job at the same time. He won't notice that things have gotten worse for most people, and if he does I don't think he will see the correlation anyway.

[-] YoorWeb@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ask her to get off Facebook and/or check what she sees on the news. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

I think Facebook is a big part of why it happened. I'm convinced the Kremlin pushed Brexit propaganda on social media in an attempt to divide the EU.

[-] IbnLemmy@feddit.uk 82 points 2 years ago

Britons voted for it, now they think it's completely failed. I don't know guys, but there some questions that we should just not ask Britons!!?

Personally voted against Brexit, but always believed it should never have even gone to a referendum. We are a parliamentary democracy and parliament should have decided.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 30 points 2 years ago

We are a parliamentary democracy and parliament should have decided.

"How dare those dirty proles be given a choice"

[-] trebuchet@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 years ago

Yup, you're a real hero with your populism. Look how great that turned out.

People these days treat democracy like a damned religion instead of a system of governance. Turns out though that complex decisions often benefit from expertise instead of letting the lowest common denominator decide.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

the lowest common denominator

How's the weather up there in your ivory tower?

[-] mr_strange@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 years ago

I suppose when you are down in a dank shitty hole of your own making, normal sunlight and open ground must seem like an ivory tower.

Would you like me to let down a rope ladder for you?

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 18 points 2 years ago

The problem is that it was an advisory vote and it is should have been handled by initially deciding a negotiating position.

Leaving the EU meant a lot of different things and the approximate idea of implementation should have been decided on before leaving.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago

The problem is that it was an advisory vote

This is sometimes raised, but is misleading. The only reason it was legally advisory is because in the British system of government, the UK cannot bind Parliament; the House of Commons can override anything else.

In the system of government in some countries, the option for a meaningful legal difference between two types of referendum exists.

The British government had been explicit that what the British public voted for would be implemented; this is the closest analog to a binding referendum. Had they simply wanted to request the advice of the public, it would have been announced that they would take the outcome under consideration.

This is not to say that having that referendum was s good idea. It is just to say that the binding/advisory nature is really a property of the British system of government, not to indicate that the intent was to merely take the public's vote as advice.

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[-] Damage@feddit.it 10 points 2 years ago

We are a parliamentary democracy and parliament should have decided.

It was decided by the political class, otherwise it wouldn't have happened. With such a slim margin they could have said "oh well, it's practically 50-50, it's wiser to maintain the status quo".

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Weird take: Brexit continues to show waves of failure year after year. So I don't think yelling about it or going "I told you so" with a poll is the answer.

The answer is to push the brexit supporters into the ocean.

[-] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 years ago

I wonder. In Australia, Germany, and the bulk of the world prices are crazy, due to greed in the covid times.

Are Brits mistaking this phenomena with Brexit?

In Australia we, for the first ever time, have a highly visible homeless problem for example. Houses are not affordable for future generations. Basics are getting out of reach financially.

If we'd had an "exit" of sorts, would we even know if it was the exit, or the covid greed?

I suspect we'd blame it on the exit.

[-] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

We know it's 99% COVID not Brexit issues.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago

It's a lot easier for politicians and capitalists to blame brexit (a choice made by the people) rather than their own utter cockup of handling covid.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 years ago

It's not just COVID. COVID just accelerated a crisis of capitalism that was already underway around the world. And Brexit didn't help.

[-] ulkesh@beehaw.org 18 points 2 years ago

No shit, Sherlock. The rest of the educated world could see the shit-show that would ensue. I guess it’s good they finally caught on.

[-] Ilflish@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Reminder of the vocal minority. The number of instances people can say this exact statement to ranges across the world UK with Brexit America with Presidential Election, Russia with the War, China and Japan's financial situations. It's not that people caught on, it's that whoever holds the cards are catching on

[-] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 13 points 2 years ago

Excellent. Labour, the next government of the UK, will see this polling in the guardian and campaign on an easy win to rejoin the EU?

Will they fuck. Both Labour and Tories want Brexit votes in the North and poor areas of the country. Hence neither will do anything but more Brexit. The sad thing is that people will still vote Labour in massive numbers and keep us in Brexit mode. Get used to it lads.... a decade or two more of this.

[-] crsu@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

What the aristocrat with messy hair lied?

[-] MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

Shooting themselves in the foot sucks, world shocked with surprise

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

It exhausts me how dumb the country I live in is (the US) and I appreciate that there is another country out there that can at least make me feel a little bit better about how dumb my country is.

[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

The problem with a failing economy is that it's very hard to get it back on track. Where Brexit has truly failed us is in accountability, as those that made the decision and pushed the populist opinion to leave won't see many hardships from it.

IMO, a Labour government should look to reverse Brexit in everything but name. Set trade deals, introduce freedom of movement to allow British people to take opportunities in the EU for higher salaries (a reverse on the last decision), and push it as a win for trade. As for accountability, many will disagree with this, but I think the only way out is to remove the pension lock and start taxing those that have holdings. Set a cap on the price of second homes to reduce by 1% every year (so people don't immediately sell to the cash rich and crash the market, but not slow enough that savings are secure), and invest heavily in growing economies.

Many don't think Starmer will be progressive, but given his record and reputation in the CPS, I think he might be playing things safe until an election is won. I have surprisingly high hopes for a Labour manifesto, if independently coated.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

You cooked it, you served it, now you eat it.

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