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[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 87 points 10 months ago

Why do Christians buy "Christmas" trees when they're explicitly forbidden?

Jeremiah 10:1-5

1 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: 2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

If you try googling any of this, you will find a shit ton of christian cope. Reminder, the Christmas tree started as a winter solstice pagan holiday.

[-] Bananigans@lemmings.world 9 points 10 months ago

the Christmas tree started as a winter solstice pagan holiday.

I'd always heard that too, but Religion for breakfast put out a pretty interesting breakdown on why that may likely not be the case.

The very recent origins of the Christmas treehttps://youtu.be/m41KXS-LWsY

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[-] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 62 points 10 months ago

When people take part in Christmas: "Stop enjoying our holiday!!"

When people don't: "They're waging a war on Christmas!!"

Victimhood is their chosen drug...

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 46 points 10 months ago

As far as I can tell, the traditions that surround Christmas have nothing to do with Christianity. Basically most of the stuff was coopted by Christianity at some point from some other belief or religion.

There's no mention of putting up lights or a tree or giving presents to eachother as part of celebrating Jesus' "birthday" (which all evidence would suggest, was not in December).

So I would ask, what's particularly Christian about Christmas trees, lights and decorations, as well as gift giving at Christmas time? What part of the Bible says that's what you're supposed to do?

Simply put, it's not in the Bible.

So I really have up wonder about anyone who criticises an atheist (or literally any non-Christian) about "celebrating" Christmas, since all the traditional stuff about Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity.

Obvious exception for Christmas mass or whatever religious service is happening the same day as Christmas.... Going to a church is literally the only Christian thing about Christmas that Christians do.... Everything else is simply "tradition" which has no basis in the Bible.

People like Sorbo are over here trying to gate keep celebrating the holidays.

[-] Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago

What to the more on all that. Xmas is basically just late to the picture as the real holiday is already over on Xmas eve.

The real bit to celebrate regardless of religion, or even, if not especially, the lackthereof, is that this is the day of the return to the sun in the Earth's ellipse of varying distance from such.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Actually there is a possible Bible reference to the Three Magi who brought gifts to baby Jesus, some Christian traditions refer to this for gift giving instead of Christmas.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

The so called "three Wise Men" or whatever. Yep.

IMO that's a bit of a flimsy argument. Jesus' family got gifts on his birthday, so everyone should participate in unrestricted consumerism because Jesus.

..... Almost everyone celebrates their birthday with gift giving. Why then, in this case, does it constitute that everyone should give stuff to their friends/family/etc? "It's someone else's birthday, so I got you a gift!" What? Why?

The logic is insane.

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[-] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sometimes I wonder what it must feel like to give yourself permission to be permanently offended before attacking other people for what you view as cultural appropriation so then you can claim you are being persecuted when people get pissed off at your entitlement. It is both fascinating and also infuriating.

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 27 points 10 months ago

You mean putting up a Yule tree and trading presents like the Romans did, two traditions stolen by Christianity?

[-] uncertainty@lemmy.nz 6 points 10 months ago
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[-] takeda@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Frankly, Christmas right now has very little to do with actual Christmas.

Besides the well known tidbit that Christmas tree that was adopted by Christians.

The actual Christmas was about having a family dinner (like Thanksgiving) and then waiting until midnight for the birth of Christ.

The Santa Claus originates from Saint Nicholas, who was celebrated on December 5th. The legend was that he secretly was making and bringing toys to orphanage.

The current Santa Claus is just bastardization of Saint Nicholas in order to sell shit. Same thing with St Valentine. It is Christian in the name only at this point.

[-] Umbraveil@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Even worse

Modern red suited Santa was reimagined and heavily commercialized by Coca-Cola and Christmas was appropriated from Sol Invictus. Nobody even knows when Jesus was born.

Colonization and commercialization at their best.

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[-] HubertManne@kbin.social 23 points 10 months ago

yeah if you don't believe in jesus then you can't be part of anything about him. The yule log, santa claus, him being born close to the winter equinix, mistletoe, holly, etc. all good christian things and not something totally anti christ like jew holidays or something. totally not pagan and so biblical. anyway the tree and the gifts are for saturnalia. I didn't really want to get involved in the satanic holiday but xstians don't like athiests doing their thing but the satanists are way cool with it.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Here in Sweden (and presumably our Nordic neighbours) the gift giving began as a sort of jocular thing.

We have a specific word used uniquely for Christmas gifts, and it bears no relation to our other words for gifts, like “present” (birthday gift being födelsedagspresent) or gåva.

A julklapp (Yule clap) began as a rural tradition where youths would sneak around the village and, knock (clap) on the houses and toss in a wrapped bundle, containing a jocular gift, like a straw doll or some firewood. They’d often attach a note with a (usually crude or even mean) rhyme on it, thus you’d do this anonymously and sneaky like.

This has translated to modern tradition. Some keep the giver of gifts anonymous (my mother did this for some gifts despite it being just us two), and it is still really common to attach a note or a label on the outside with a rhyme on it. The rhyme tends to pertain to what the gift is, but etiquette around rhyming differs. Some prefer to keep the gift a mystery for the person to guess, others include what the gift is in the rhyme.

Examples: “For when you’re outside and struck by a breeze, wear these that you may avoid to freeze.”

“Please don’t think me dated or old, but I got you these gloves to keep you from cold.”

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[-] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

Why Sorbo always gotta double down on cringe. Dude needs to get off twitter and smoke some dope.

[-] Sharpiemarker@startrek.website 5 points 10 months ago

A lifetime of eating lead paint chips will do that to a person.

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[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Why do Christians buy a Christmas tree and gifts for their kids? It has nothing to do with the birth of Christ and isn't a Christian tradition.

[-] uriel238 15 points 10 months ago

To be fair, after McClellan's notes about the lack of primary data linking Christmas to non-Christian holidays I would gleefully support divorcing government observances of Chrismas in favor of generic winter or end of year festivities.

Republicans in the US have really soured me to anything Christian, which I now associate with property rights of the rich, authoritarian autocracy and white power movements. (That these might conflict with scripture is irrelevant to the policies lobbied by ministries and pushed by Christian-identifying officials.)

Christmas was on its way out when Charles Dickens wrote his potboiler and changed how we saw and celebrated Christmas in the following century. It might be time to put it to pasture and forge anew new winter traditions that mean something to who we are today.

[-] DreadPirateShawn 10 points 10 months ago

Being raised christian really soured me to anything christian. ;-)

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'd ask, do we even know that actually happens?

Then, why did Christians turn Christmas into a commercial spectacle?

Next, what does he think about things like Christmas in Japan where it's celebrated, but more as a cultural tradition of romance, family and friendship than a religious event (which basically is what he's upset about here, when people do that, even though that's also how most ostensible 'christians' act)

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

These heathen atheists, not even buying a traditional bucket of KFC for Christmas!

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I don’t celebrate Xmas. I celebrate Sol Invixtus. It’s still got the gift giving, but the parties are way more fun

[-] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago

Does Kevin acknowledge that he committed blasphemy when he played Hercules?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Considering the lore where stars are literal living anthropomorphic beings, I'd say Andromeda was pretty blasphemous too. I guess a paycheck trumps Jesus.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

Just like Christmas! Somebody should tell him.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

The thing is, as shitty a show as Andromeda was, the lore is still better than what Jews and Christians came up with.

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[-] Maeve@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

Look around you at talibangicals that worship money, and all the worldly pleasures, hoard it and use it to harm, rather than help others.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Someone doesn't remember how the series ended. Spoilers: it becomes a blatantly xtian show for no reason.

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Did it?

TBF I don't think anyone actually tuned in to watch Hercules or paid much attention. I remember it being something that was on before the show you did actually want to watch, in a time of limited alternatives and channels.

I have been wondering if I should try to rewatch Xena. I seem to remember that being a better show, although I was a horny teenaged boy in a time before internet pornography, when I last watched it.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

It did, and to quote the asshat himself it can be summed up thus: Disappointed!

Also, Callisto 🔥

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[-] zaphod@lemmy.ca 14 points 10 months ago

Answer - the same reason Christians celebrate Christmas: so I can co-opt someone else's rituals for my own purposes. If they can steal solstice celebrations, I can celebrate Christmas.

[-] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Like, does he want fewer people participating in Christmas? I don't understand the motivation behind his post.

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[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago

Wouldn't it be great if the sorbo account is a parody account and he's just a harmless luddite in real life, surprised and frustrated to eventually find out someone is using his likeness to say the absolutely dumbest things anyone can say?

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 17 points 10 months ago

Sadly, he's exactly like what his account paints him as, an out of touch jackass who thinks he's the best thing to ever happen to low budget TV.

His ego fucked over Andromeda. That show could have been so much more, if they had just cast someone else.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Part of the problem is he's had like 47 strokes. He's literally brain damaged.

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago

Lucy Lawless has said that he was just as bad before the strokes. And that, sadly, he's made a full recovery.

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I probably shouldn't be posting this here, because some of you are likely to rub your dicks off in excitement, but this is a relevant article:

https://bigthink.com/neuropsych/study-finds-link-between-brain-damage-and-religious-fundamentalism/

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[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I would assume that Lucy Lawless would know. She's gotten into arguments with Sorbo over twitter.

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[-] Boozilla@discuss.online 10 points 10 months ago

I would ignore Christmas entirely if I could.

I have family members who are really into it.

And the news always acts like the entire stupid consumer driven economy is riding on it. I actually don't care about that. But I bet if we did all choose to ignore it, they'd complain that we're tanking the economy on purpose. You can't win with trolls.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

If my wife didn't have a Christian family that grew up celebrating it, I would ignore it. I grew up Jewish, we never celebrated it. I was always made to feel like an other as a kid for it. I still don't like it very much, but I go along with it.

The only Christmas I ever enjoyed was in the UK, where it was just about having a good time. I wish Christmas was like that here in the U.S.

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[-] root_beer@midwest.social 8 points 10 months ago

Oh, a snarky takedown. Meh. I prefer this:

[-] jasondj@ttrpg.network 7 points 10 months ago

Is Christmas a religious holiday? Since when?

[-] KonalaKoala@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

This may me wonder if this is supposed to be a perennial reminder to watch Xena: Warrior Princess instead of Hercules: The Legendary Journeys.

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[-] bloopernova@programming.dev 5 points 10 months ago

DISAPPOINTED!

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