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[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 105 points 10 months ago

It is one of the only nations in the world - and the only one in Europe - that provides the constitutional right to bear arms.

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[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago

Switzerland does well with guns.

[-] Rokin@lemm.ee 40 points 10 months ago

In Switzerland, everyone is trained to use guns

[-] capital@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

I don’t think lack of training was this guys issue.

[-] Borovicka@lemm.ee 25 points 10 months ago

Switzerland also has heavily regulated ammunition. You can't just go to the store and buy some bullets, like in Czechia

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Like Chris Rocks stand up. Charge more for the bullets and people will think more about killing. paraphrase

[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Very true

Swiss:

27.6 guns per 100 residents

vs Czech:

12.5 per 100 residents

source

[-] Veneroso@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

The Swiss solution really is what should be followed.

[-] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

The solution to allow gun ownership is conscription?

No thanks.

[-] Veneroso@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

If you follow the constitution, the right to bear arms is for a well regulated militia. Not for a stressed 18 year old buying an AR-15 at Walmart to shoot up rioters from another state.

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[-] Yearly1845@reddthat.com 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I wish they'd bring back the draft. Draft men and women over the age of 18 for like two years; it doesn't need to be for combat roles either. You get job training, you learn self-discipline, how to work in a team, really a lot of life skills. And then when your enlistment is up, you get training on how to find a job, how to write a resume, how to pass an interview, you get to use the GI bill and (in my hypothetical scenario) would keep Tricare. And more people would care about where and when we deploy our military, because they actually have a stake in it now.

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[-] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

I bet those dead university students enjoyed all that constitutional freedom.

[-] not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world 66 points 10 months ago

I would like to hear about the killers psychology and motivation (don't care about the fuckers name) and what is being done to prevent such motivation from manifesting again.

[-] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago

We don't often talk about this in the limelight, but it's important. We need to understand how they got here if we want to have any hope of reducing the odds of that happening again.

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 14 points 10 months ago

My guess he'd just copying stuff he saw on TV. We copied many other things from US culture like Halloween and bad food, now time for mass shootings.

[-] GenitalHurricane@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago

Came to the comments for the 'blame USA' and was not disappointed.

Own your own policy flaws. Own your own nutters.

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 12 points 10 months ago

I don't blame USA. I blame European media that keep reporting shootings in USA. If Americans don't have any interest in addressing this issue why even talk about it here? We can't do anything about it and all it does is give stupid ideas to our nutters. It's not like we can send aid or influence policies in USA. I guess it could be relevant to someone who wants to travel there but that's what travel advisories are for. Let's just pretend they are not happening, like Americans do.

[-] Chr0nos1@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

From the article:

Police said the gunman was inspired by “a terrible event abroad”. In one post, he cited a 14-year-old Russian school shooter who killed one classmate and wounded five others as an inspiration.>

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

That takes time to find out, give it a few days.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 50 points 10 months ago

From the article:

Czech media reported that Kozak authored social media posts in which he indulged in fantasies of suicide and mass murders in the days before the attacks.

I don't want to ruin internet privacy, but who has ideas on how to handle this better? I feel like if someone's posting "I wanna do a mass shooting" something should happen. I don't want the state or private enterprise to be able to abuse that, though.

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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 13 points 10 months ago

I have long thought that the police as an institution in the US is, shall we say, not good.

One time I was walking home from the grocery and I saw a couple having a screaming fight on the street. The guy had taken the woman's phone from her and was holding it up out of her reach. I thought to myself, "Someone should probably do something.. but who? And what?"

If I had called the police, it's incredibly unlikely it would have gone well. The people fighting weren't white, for one thing. The cops would probably roll up, throw their authority around, and get violent. Possibly murder the guy. Not what you want. Even if they didn't do violence immediately, subjecting that guy to the criminal justice system is not what you want, either.

In my imagination there should be a department of deescalation specialists. No guns. No arrest powers. Maybe some snacks.

But yeah, policing in the US is a tragedy at pretty much every level.

Back on topic, responsibility could maybe fall onto the platform. There are suicide prevention services. Maybe there could be mass shooting prevention services.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In my imagination there should be a department of deescalation specialists. No guns. No arrest powers. Maybe some snacks.

As a teacher, I had to do home visits for every student in my homeroom. Two families threatened to kill me. One by siccing their dogs on me, the other by just shooting me. The entire purpose of my visit was just to meet them and let them know I care about their kids

What do you do when these de-escalation specialists go to talk to a person who is crazy-posting, and have their lives threatened?

I don't ask this facetiously. I think this is a good idea. But these workers will run into situations like this, and more to the point, opponents of these programs will definitely bring this sort of thing up when trying to sway public opinion.

I legit don't have an answer.

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[-] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

The solution is to remove access to firearms capable of rapid rates of fire from the general public.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 6 points 10 months ago

That would help with mass shootings, very likely, yes. I feel like there's also things we (or various platforms) could do to address the parent category of mass murder

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[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 8 points 10 months ago

I mean in the US, threatening to murder someone is a crime. I'm sure it is there too.

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[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 29 points 10 months ago
[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

America continues to be global leader in exporting culture

[-] KrankyKong@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Love the innovation! It's not easy making everything about America, but by god people always find a way!

[-] Bennettiquette@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

tbh america and domestic mass shootings are pretty much synonymous at this point. this time (this one rare time) an immediate association with the us seems appropriate.

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[-] BrianTheFirst@kbin.social 15 points 10 months ago

Lots of talk about them allowing guns, as if that's what caused this, but let's look at the big picture..

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 8 points 10 months ago

The timeline for the shootings seems like it's that economic fuckery and downturns precede upticks in shootings. It is very alarming that there has been three of them this year.

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Four. The "Serbia" entry is two shootings.

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[-] bedrooms@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

This is one of the scariest pictures I've seen in my life

[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

~~I believe that's a cop pictured in the thumbnail~~

Edit: I'm wrong! I misread

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[-] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

My condolences to the families.

Hope they'll figure out how to never make it happen again.

And yes, for God's sake, ban firearms.

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