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[-] Fades@lemmy.world 126 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

For those unaware

From 2022:

Taylor Swift’s plane was identified by the report as the “biggest celebrity CO2e polluter this year so far,” racking up 170 flights since January with emissions totaling more than 8,293 metric tons.

A report published last year by Transport & Environment, a major European clean transport campaign group, found that a single private jet can emit 2 metric tons of CO2 in just an hour. To put that in context, the average person in the E.U. produces about 8.2 tons of emissions over the course of an entire year, according to the report.

https://www.transportenvironment.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/2021_05_private_jets_FINAL.pdf

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago

So the average person was responsible for 8.2 and Swift did 8.293 in flights?

[-] Skua@kbin.social 72 points 11 months ago

Swift's flights were responsible for a thousand times more C02e than an average EU citizen. One has a comma, the other has a dot

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 31 points 11 months ago

Aha, I see that now. Good thing I phrased it as a question.

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[-] LeafOnTheWind@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

How can someone be this bad at math...

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 26 points 11 months ago

Mistaking a comma for a decimal point isn't really what I'd call 'math'.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Also in some countries the comma, not the dot, is the decimal separator, so I can see how somebody from such a nation who has also been exposed to the use of the dot as decimal separator, might thinl they both can be used like that and mean the same and not be aware that in English-speaking countries the comma is never used as decimal separator.

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No, a single person is responsible for 8.2 tons and Swift's JET ALONE did 8.293. That's not counting all of the OTHER carbon footprint that swift undoubtedly has.

Edit:uah, even worse. It's 8 THOUSAND tons for her jet, and 8 tons for the regular person.

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

Right. Her jet alone released the same carbon as 1,000 people. Of course, she’s far from the only wealthy person doing this.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Edit: A lot of people seem to have no idea what carbon offsets are. Here's a reasonably quick rundown:

https://climate.mit.edu/explainers/carbon-offsets#:~:text=Carbon%20offsets%20fund%20specific%20projects,and%20waste%20and%20landfill%20management.

Basically though, they are tge best market solution we have thus far yo the climate crisis. We need government to do better but in that absence, this is the closest we hve to a free market solution. While appealing, solutions like "bitching online that people should just go back to pre industrial era lives" or "hoping everyone will just vote correctly next time" are definitely fun solutions, carbon offsets have the effect of actually doing stuff in the meantime.

If we're crucifying people for things they are expected to have, are you pure evil because the phone youbhad undoubtedly used cobalt mined by children who occasionally lose their arns mining it?

A cursory google search showed that she paid double her carbon offsets for the current tour. While imperfect, carbon offsets, and people voluntarily paying into them is how we move through and past our current carbon intensive lifestyle.

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

A weird take, but ok... Are you a "swiftie"? Going to bat for a rich popstar is a little weird.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Going to bat for a rich popstar is a little weird.

Reality should be reality, regardless of the subject.

Edit: At least 9 people disagree but so far, the closest to a substantive reply is essentially "she's rich, why do you care?"

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago
[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

I dunno, read again?

I explained things pretty well in my original post. If you have questions or trouble understanding, I'd be happy to explain.

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

It's ok if you're a fan of hers, but her carbon footprint is much more impactful than a regular individuals. Paying into a carbon offset account actually doesn't offset anything. It's PR at best. The environmental damage she does just by flying to get lunch is outrageous.

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

carbon offsets

they are tge best market solution we have thus far yo the climate crisis

Bullshit. Carbon offsets is mostly a scam where polluters "offset" real emissions with potential if not purely theoretical mitigation. The reforestation that companies claim offset their emissions would fill more land than there is on earth in total.

Meanwhile, the fossil fuel industry, to name the worst problem humanity has, is emitting MORE than ever while using the Carbon Offsets scam to greenwash their killing millions of people a year while being the main cause of climate change.

The best solution is, has always been and always will be to emit less pollutants.

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[-] PostingPenguin@feddit.de 24 points 11 months ago

Well if you really start looking into it, carbon offsets are mostly a scam.

For instance just declaring: "I will cut down this forest" without ever having the intention to do so, and then not doing it counts as a carbon offset. This is what abgreat part of companies are doing. Just saving forests that nobody wanted to cut down in the first place from being cut down. This they then sell to the consumer as a carbon offset.

John Oliver had a great segment on this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p8zAbFKpW0

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Ahhhh, the John Oliver effect. I knew there was a reason people were furious without quite being able to articulate well!

If you pay attention, you'll note that Oliver's problem with carbon offsets is that the system is too easy to game, which is fair!

But to say that means the entire notion of carbon offsets is nonsense is a little silly. It's sort of like saying "too many people cheat on their taxes, we shouldn't have taxes!" Instead of, y'know, better regulation and enforcement.

In this case, you have one of the most PR savvy people on Earth, I'd be surprised if her team didn't find a legit carbon offset (which is exactly how we say, compensate farmers for not burning the amazon for the lucrative farmland etc.)

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

I didn’t know you could pay money to reverse the damage you have personally caused to the climate crisis

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

You can't. But in the real world, we aren't going to stop using planes, cars and heaters in the next few months.

The best thing that aids a transition are carbon offsets that help subsidize the very technology upon which a Green revolution depends.

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[-] mriormro@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

The neoliberal levels are through the roof!

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[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 105 points 11 months ago

Ahh yes, the woman who wanted to... (checks notes) hmm copyright a fucking date because she used it for an album...

Ffs there is no such thing as an ethical money hungry person.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

She did actually get those trademarks:

Trademarks for years (and others shit) like that are pretty common. Like this one for 2023: https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=77026303&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch

Here is one for "LOL": https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=77669187&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch

She doesn't own the year, I think she is just the only one allowed to use it for merchandise, albums, and a bunch of other stuff. Basically no one in the USA is allowed to make a T-shirt with 1989 on it. Maybe it would be fine if the t-shirt has no other connection to Swift. Dunno.

She has a fuckton of trademarks. Just search for "TAS RIGHTS MANAGEMENT, LLC " on https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-information

[-] 1847953620@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

jfc, it's actually worse than I thought

[-] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 18 points 11 months ago

I mean, there's probably a ton of crap on her. I have no idea, I haven't read up on her, but I would assume that every billionaire has a lot of smoking guns with regard to pollution, bad work conditions and unethical handling of capital. But if the worst you have on her is that she attempted to copyright '1989', it doesn't really seem too bad.

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

Her private jet has the most CO2 emissions out of any celebrity. She defended that by saying she rents it out, so it wasn't all her; as if that changes how much the private jet she owns has emitted. As far as the rest of her environmental impact, it is likely no worse than other performing celebrities so not great but in larger amounts than other celebs.

She does seem to do well by her support staff. She gave out $55m in bonuses to everyone who worked on her last tour.

She has donated a lot, but I couldn't find out if she has donated over the deduction cap or if she claimed the donations. As far as I can tell the majority has been given to food insecurity charities and disaster relief. So even if it is a tax scheme, she seems to be giving in the right direction.

I am not a fan of her music, but she doesn't seem like a terrible person except that she has unimaginable wealth, a massive platform, a highly influential brand, and isn't doing as much as she could to help others.

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[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

Copyright is often quite context sensitive, it doesn't mean nobody can use that date, they just can't name an album after it.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is, unironically, the best meme about leftists ever made.

In my experience, leftists are like Star Wars fans, in that no one hates leftists like other leftists.

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

The right, when issues arise, circle the wagons. The left, when issues arise, form a circular firing squad.

The let's fractured nature is both its greatest strength, allowing for innovation and new thinking, and its greatest weakness. We often fail to come together for good, when we all want perfect. We often end up with neither.

[-] canihasaccount@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Eh, keep in mind that the right have been gridlocking each other in US Congress with the weird alt-right RINO stuff. There's infighting on both sides; the US essentially has multiple parties within each major party.

[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago

I always wonder why the workers of the world don't rise up together. We could easily take over without any violence.

Then I remember we all hate each other and refuse to work together and it makes me sad.

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

Because it is hard for the individual to risk being destitute if he rises up and no one follows.

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[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

Dunno about you all, though I'll take the slightly less villainess billionnaire that might have a positive impact for $500, Steven. Cause fuck if I won't side with the potential enemies of my enemies at this stage. Playing it cool and acting like we're doing fine doesn't seem to be doing much after all.

[-] 1847953620@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

nah, fuck em all. I don't trust that nepo baby psycho

[-] Sami_Uso@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

If I have to see this little capitalist darling at another football game trying to secure the young female demographic for the NFL again I'm going to vomit.

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[-] JimboDHimbo@lemmy.ca 12 points 11 months ago

Fully extend right arm, lift arm 15 degrees, rotate wrist 90 degrees to the right. Resume.

[-] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

In my experience, people don't respond very well when you try to cut their arm off

[-] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I think they were aiming for the neck

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