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[-] Fades@lemmy.world 126 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

For those unaware

From 2022:

Taylor Swift’s plane was identified by the report as the “biggest celebrity CO2e polluter this year so far,” racking up 170 flights since January with emissions totaling more than 8,293 metric tons.

A report published last year by Transport & Environment, a major European clean transport campaign group, found that a single private jet can emit 2 metric tons of CO2 in just an hour. To put that in context, the average person in the E.U. produces about 8.2 tons of emissions over the course of an entire year, according to the report.

https://www.transportenvironment.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/2021_05_private_jets_FINAL.pdf

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago

So the average person was responsible for 8.2 and Swift did 8.293 in flights?

[-] Skua@kbin.social 72 points 2 years ago

Swift's flights were responsible for a thousand times more C02e than an average EU citizen. One has a comma, the other has a dot

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 31 points 2 years ago

Aha, I see that now. Good thing I phrased it as a question.

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[-] LeafOnTheWind@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

How can someone be this bad at math...

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago

Mistaking a comma for a decimal point isn't really what I'd call 'math'.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Also in some countries the comma, not the dot, is the decimal separator, so I can see how somebody from such a nation who has also been exposed to the use of the dot as decimal separator, might thinl they both can be used like that and mean the same and not be aware that in English-speaking countries the comma is never used as decimal separator.

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, a single person is responsible for 8.2 tons and Swift's JET ALONE did 8.293. That's not counting all of the OTHER carbon footprint that swift undoubtedly has.

Edit:uah, even worse. It's 8 THOUSAND tons for her jet, and 8 tons for the regular person.

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[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Edit: A lot of people seem to have no idea what carbon offsets are. Here's a reasonably quick rundown:

https://climate.mit.edu/explainers/carbon-offsets#:~:text=Carbon%20offsets%20fund%20specific%20projects,and%20waste%20and%20landfill%20management.

Basically though, they are tge best market solution we have thus far yo the climate crisis. We need government to do better but in that absence, this is the closest we hve to a free market solution. While appealing, solutions like "bitching online that people should just go back to pre industrial era lives" or "hoping everyone will just vote correctly next time" are definitely fun solutions, carbon offsets have the effect of actually doing stuff in the meantime.

If we're crucifying people for things they are expected to have, are you pure evil because the phone youbhad undoubtedly used cobalt mined by children who occasionally lose their arns mining it?

A cursory google search showed that she paid double her carbon offsets for the current tour. While imperfect, carbon offsets, and people voluntarily paying into them is how we move through and past our current carbon intensive lifestyle.

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

A weird take, but ok... Are you a "swiftie"? Going to bat for a rich popstar is a little weird.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Going to bat for a rich popstar is a little weird.

Reality should be reality, regardless of the subject.

Edit: At least 9 people disagree but so far, the closest to a substantive reply is essentially "she's rich, why do you care?"

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago
[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I dunno, read again?

I explained things pretty well in my original post. If you have questions or trouble understanding, I'd be happy to explain.

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

It's ok if you're a fan of hers, but her carbon footprint is much more impactful than a regular individuals. Paying into a carbon offset account actually doesn't offset anything. It's PR at best. The environmental damage she does just by flying to get lunch is outrageous.

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

carbon offsets

they are tge best market solution we have thus far yo the climate crisis

Bullshit. Carbon offsets is mostly a scam where polluters "offset" real emissions with potential if not purely theoretical mitigation. The reforestation that companies claim offset their emissions would fill more land than there is on earth in total.

Meanwhile, the fossil fuel industry, to name the worst problem humanity has, is emitting MORE than ever while using the Carbon Offsets scam to greenwash their killing millions of people a year while being the main cause of climate change.

The best solution is, has always been and always will be to emit less pollutants.

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[-] PostingPenguin@feddit.de 24 points 2 years ago

Well if you really start looking into it, carbon offsets are mostly a scam.

For instance just declaring: "I will cut down this forest" without ever having the intention to do so, and then not doing it counts as a carbon offset. This is what abgreat part of companies are doing. Just saving forests that nobody wanted to cut down in the first place from being cut down. This they then sell to the consumer as a carbon offset.

John Oliver had a great segment on this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p8zAbFKpW0

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[-] Fades@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

I didn’t know you could pay money to reverse the damage you have personally caused to the climate crisis

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

You can't. But in the real world, we aren't going to stop using planes, cars and heaters in the next few months.

The best thing that aids a transition are carbon offsets that help subsidize the very technology upon which a Green revolution depends.

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[-] mriormro@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

The neoliberal levels are through the roof!

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[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 105 points 2 years ago

Ahh yes, the woman who wanted to... (checks notes) hmm copyright a fucking date because she used it for an album...

Ffs there is no such thing as an ethical money hungry person.

[-] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago

I mean, there's probably a ton of crap on her. I have no idea, I haven't read up on her, but I would assume that every billionaire has a lot of smoking guns with regard to pollution, bad work conditions and unethical handling of capital. But if the worst you have on her is that she attempted to copyright '1989', it doesn't really seem too bad.

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

Her private jet has the most CO2 emissions out of any celebrity. She defended that by saying she rents it out, so it wasn't all her; as if that changes how much the private jet she owns has emitted. As far as the rest of her environmental impact, it is likely no worse than other performing celebrities so not great but in larger amounts than other celebs.

She does seem to do well by her support staff. She gave out $55m in bonuses to everyone who worked on her last tour.

She has donated a lot, but I couldn't find out if she has donated over the deduction cap or if she claimed the donations. As far as I can tell the majority has been given to food insecurity charities and disaster relief. So even if it is a tax scheme, she seems to be giving in the right direction.

I am not a fan of her music, but she doesn't seem like a terrible person except that she has unimaginable wealth, a massive platform, a highly influential brand, and isn't doing as much as she could to help others.

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[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

Copyright is often quite context sensitive, it doesn't mean nobody can use that date, they just can't name an album after it.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is, unironically, the best meme about leftists ever made.

In my experience, leftists are like Star Wars fans, in that no one hates leftists like other leftists.

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

The right, when issues arise, circle the wagons. The left, when issues arise, form a circular firing squad.

The let's fractured nature is both its greatest strength, allowing for innovation and new thinking, and its greatest weakness. We often fail to come together for good, when we all want perfect. We often end up with neither.

[-] canihasaccount@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Eh, keep in mind that the right have been gridlocking each other in US Congress with the weird alt-right RINO stuff. There's infighting on both sides; the US essentially has multiple parties within each major party.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

You're dead right, this comment section is one of the most tragic things I've seen in a while actually.

She's a talented performer, presumably a very hard worker, and they're seething because she... Has money? From proving entertainment, which is a completely optional thing to buy, and by no means an essential service.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

Dunno about you all, though I'll take the slightly less villainess billionnaire that might have a positive impact for $500, Steven. Cause fuck if I won't side with the potential enemies of my enemies at this stage. Playing it cool and acting like we're doing fine doesn't seem to be doing much after all.

[-] 1847953620@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

nah, fuck em all. I don't trust that nepo baby psycho

[-] Sami_Uso@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

If I have to see this little capitalist darling at another football game trying to secure the young female demographic for the NFL again I'm going to vomit.

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[-] JimboDHimbo@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago

Fully extend right arm, lift arm 15 degrees, rotate wrist 90 degrees to the right. Resume.

[-] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

In my experience, people don't respond very well when you try to cut their arm off

[-] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

I think they were aiming for the neck

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