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The law ( the Leahy Law) requires that the US vet any foreign military receiving US arms. However, that doesn’t happen with Israel

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[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 107 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think a lot of U.S. politicians and legacy media outlets were genuinely caught off-guard by the backlash. Prior to the Netanyahu era, support for Israel in the U.S. was basically non-controversial. But he fucked that up just like he fucks up everything else.

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 63 points 11 months ago

Netanyahu has been an unmitigated disaster in every conceivable way, for a long time. The Israeli people really need to kick him to the curb.

I mean, at this point he's squandering good will and sympathy generated for Israel after a terrorist group specifically targeted civilians for rape, torture, and murder. It feels like something that should be impossible - I mean, it's not like anyone sane would side with freaking Hamas.

If you're opposed to Hamas, it should be trivially easy to maintain the moral and political high ground over them. Yet he's somehow failing even that.

Cripes, what a clusterfuck.

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 16 points 11 months ago

I keep reposting this one quote: “The bar to clear was on the ground and y’all brought shovels.”

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Look into his dad and his grandpa, it has a history

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[-] SCB@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

It's less the backlash and more the attacks on Jews that are surprising.

The US has always had a small, vocal minority that hates Israel.

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Yeah, and the “vocal minority” gained strength when Netanyahu spoke before a joint session of Congress and insulted everyone to the left of Mussolini. And then the 2014 Gaza War was disproportionate and all over social media. And then Netanyahu named a fucking settlement after Trump, America’s worst president since Andrew Johnson. And now he’s razing Gaza and belongs at The Hague.

I didn’t even think about the whole, entire Levant much prior to that shit. I have no connection to the wider Mideast and frankly, still don’t think it’s interesting. I like nature more than religion so there’s nothing in Jerusalem for me. (Tel Aviv sounds nicer.) But now I’m like, “Please stop bombing civilians using the weapons I apparently have to pay for. For some reason? Is Israel strategically important? Why?”

And Likud-ass people are accusing me of hating Israel. I didn’t have an opinion but now I do. Fuck all religious nationalists with a broomstick no one has sanded down.

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[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 77 points 11 months ago

Israel has more influence over American foreign policy than American citizens.

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

At this point I do believe that US government are owned by Isreal. Influence is an understatement of US response to anything Isreal related.

Trump literally move the US embassy putting US citzen at risk for no valuable reason.

[-] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The CIA staged a coup in Iran in 1953 at the behest of Britain/British Petroleum when the newly elected PM decided to nationalize the oil fields. Iran remains Israel's greatest geopolitical foe, because of Israel's ties to the West.

The Suez Canal, an originally French/British colonial venture, which carries an absurd amount of cargo from former British colonies into the Mediterranean, was the cause of the Six Day War; not to mention there's a plan for a new canal through Israel to avoid all the nasty geopolitical issues the Suez Canal raises.

The US has a network of Middle Eastern allies and enemies and meddles in the affairs of every middle eastern nation because they've got all that sweet light crude we love so much.

Do you think, maybe, that the US's (and more broadly the West's) objectives in the region outweigh, possibly, whatever "influence" Israel has over our politics?

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[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Very true because money speaks volumes and people don't VOTE, and many of those who do have no understanding of how to recognize real balanced news so they just go with the loudest, most agenda driven sources.

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Try to run for office without the support of the Israel lobby... there goes your PAC money. Obama ran with Biden as a nod to the Israel lobby because Biden was their darling and Obama was known to attend pro-Palestine conferences.

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[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 60 points 11 months ago

Because it turns turns billions in public funds into billions in private profits.

The fact that those profits come at the expense of children's lives doesn't worry the oil and gas industries, so why would it worry weapons manufacturers?

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago

They could get the same effect by arming Ukraine without looking like a bunch of assholes

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately, that's not how greed works. They'll never say "no thanks, we've made enough profit from Ukraine".

[-] ripcord@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

No one's suggesting they say that

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

I am. Would be hella refreshing for these arms dealers to grow a conscience, even if just a tiny one.

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[-] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 46 points 11 months ago

Don't ask that question, it's anti-Semitic.

[-] GutsBerserk@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

A sad and horrifying reality. The biggest success of Zionism is that it has hidden itself behind antisemitism.

[-] spider@lemmy.nz 43 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Why is the US still sending an endless supply of arms to Israel without conditions?

AIPAC

[-] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

This is the actual answer.

This lobby group is extremely effective and any legislator that opposes them will see their primary or electoral opponents get millions of dollars in funding.

[-] spider@lemmy.nz 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
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[-] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 38 points 11 months ago

Like someone else said here, it funnels public money into private profits. What I do not get however is this system only furthers inequality which is going to snap the system at some point to the detriment of all, including the billionaires who will increasingly be in a hostile environment. Why shit on your own doorstep when you could make it better for all including yourself and your family. Really foolish thinking but oh well, as really, we seem absolutely committed to this dark path.

[-] GutsBerserk@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

These billionaires think they and theirs are above everything. They can kill millions without a real danger to them and theirs. Lack of fear.

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 14 points 11 months ago

short term profits trump long term savings, none of these people can see beyond the end of the quarter

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

This isn't short term, Eisenhower was warning about the military industrial complex

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[-] Rottcodd@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago

Obviously the US government is sending an endless supply of arms to Israel without conditions because doing so serves its purposes.

The question that you need to ask is how it serves its purposes - how is it that the US government benefits by enabling Israel's Palestinian genocide.

My theory, also supported by other US government actions in the Middle East (such as the Iraq war) is that the US government's overall goal in the Middle East is destabilization.

And that stands to reason, since the Middle East's wealth administered by stable and progressive governments rather than reactionary autocracies could he a threat to western hegemony.

Or more simply, a Middle East consumed by strife can't be stable, and thus can't invest sufficient time and resources into being a serious player on the world stage, since too much of its time and resources is diverted into dealing with internal strife, or pissed away by the dysfunctional governments that have come to power as a result of of the strife.

And Israel, and specifically the overt violence and oppression and now genocide failing to hide behind a shabby mask of "defense" and "security" in which Israel continues to engage, is key to that strife.

If you look at US foreign policy in the Middle East through that lens - asking yourself, at every turn, how does this accord with the presumption that the broad goal of the US government in the Middle East is destabilization, then a lot of things that don't make sense otherwise suddenly do.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

My theory, also supported by other US government actions in the Middle East (such as the Iraq war) is that the US government’s overall goal in the Middle East is destabilization.

The exact opposite is the actual reason the US supports Israel.

[-] Agrivar@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Oh, you sweet summer child.

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[-] NewAgeOldPerson@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Fuck Israel. I say this as a Jew so color me antisemitic, the US Congress 🖤

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[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Because our government is controlled by the AIPAC lobby.

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago
[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

To fuel the next crisis, obviously.

[-] young_broccoli@kbin.social 14 points 11 months ago

About 500 billion dollars worth of oil and gas is the answer.

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[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Seems like the Guardian is all kerpluxed that US is using diplomacy behind closed doors rather than announce everything to the world. Tuff stuff.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago

How has that diplomacy worked out the past 80 years?

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[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 16 points 11 months ago

hey now, bootlicking is a perfectly valid form of diplomacy

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[-] young_broccoli@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

Making secretive arms deals in order to "jump over" the regulations, protocols and overall legislation meant to enforce transparency and accountability over this specific type of bussiness is not diplomacy, Its corruption

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

Why is that diplomacy taking two months when Reagan stopped the bombing of West Beirut with a phone call?

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Biden is fully owned and controlled by AIPAC. Netanyahu controls America. He boasted about it before he's proven it in a months time. Genocide Joe is as much of a foreign agent as Agent Orange

You can vote for Russia and israel.... Or actually vote third party and stop this madness.

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[-] eletes@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

bEcAuSe tHeY'rE a dEmOcRaCy iN tHe miDdLe eAsT

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


There is a rare debate taking place in mainstream foreign policy circles, including among congressional Democrats, about whether the United States should condition its military support for Israel in light of the massive civilian casualties it has caused in Gaza.

According to a recent report in the Israeli media, however, the Biden administration has begun doing exactly that – putting conditions on continued US support for Israel’s war on Gaza.

“[It] would be too resource-intensive – and that’s fair to some extent – to essentially vet the entire Israeli security apparatus for gross violations of human rights,” Josh Paul, a former senior state department official responsible for foreign arms transfers, explained on The Lawfare Podcast last week.

“The department has never concluded that a gross violation of human rights occurred, despite what I would say is incredibly credible and convincing evidence to the contrary,” Paul added.

The Leahy Law is just one of many safeguards meant to stop foreign governments from using American weapons to commit human rights violations and war crimes.

Just two months before the Hamas attacks that led to this brutal round of fighting, the state department instructed embassies worldwide to monitor and report all incidents of harm to civilians involving American-made arms.


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