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[-] ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social 189 points 1 year ago

To those that are saying they don't see a problem with this mod. Let me put it to you this way. Instead of a mod that turned one gay woman into a straight man what if it turned one black character into a white character?

There literally was a mod like that in Stardew Valley that turned Demetrius into a white character, and it was rightfully deleted from Nexus mods. If someone has that much of a problem with a character being a different race, sex, gender, or sexual identity then they're clearly bigoted no matter what they say to the contrary.

It's gay erasure, and it's bigotry, plain and simple.

[-] muse@kbin.social 86 points 1 year ago

The creator of the mod actually wanted to do just that. He wanted to turn Wyll white, erase all LGBT references, and make Mizhena a trans person who regretted their decision and detransitioned.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 year ago

Imagine being that insecure

Eesh. Bet we all can guess who that modder voted for :(

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[-] tal@lemmy.today 73 points 1 year ago

I have no problem with a mod that changes someone's sexual orientation, someone's race, someone's species, or just plain removes or adds new characters. Why would I care how someone else is playing a game?

[-] SkyeStarfall 95 points 1 year ago

Neither do they have a right to a platform, hence, deleted off of the platform.

[-] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Exactly this. Play the game you want, but that shit shouldn't be platformed.

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[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You don't have to care. No one does. No one is blocking this from working.

It's just not being listed on Nexus.

Moreover this mod wasn't giving options to players to choose how they wanted to play, it was changing very specific things and advertising it. Nexus doesn't care to let them use their platform to advertise a mod made for a very specific audience of really shitty people.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago

No one does.

This is patently false because if no one cares, it wouldn't have been removed. It was only removed because enough people cared and spoke up about it. Even just reading this thread makes it clear that plenty of people care about it.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago

This comment would mean anything if they had said "no one cares," but what they said was "no one has to care"

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[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

rugged individualism is not the path to a functioning society. in any society worth living in there are certain views that cannot be tolerated. the kind of bigotry expressed by the mod creator is one of those views that cannot be tolerated.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

It really depends, but in general if you feel that lgbt characters or black characters hinder your enjoyment of the game enough to bother modding them away or different then it speaks about who you are in a way that tells me that I dislike you

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[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 1 year ago

To those that are saying they don’t see a problem with this mod. Let me put it to you this way. Instead of a mod that turned one gay woman into a straight man what if it turned one black character into a white character?

There literally was a mod like that in Stardew Valley that turned Demetrius into a white character, and it was rightfully deleted from Nexus mods. If someone has that much of a problem with a character being a different race, sex, gender, or sexual identity then they’re clearly bigoted no matter what they say to the contrary.

It’s gay erasure, and it’s bigotry, plain and simple.

The best thing about mods is that they only effect the person playing with them. I really don't get the upset over it. Oh, no, someone else might play a version of this game with less gay (or whatever else offends you). I just can't bring myself to have the energy to be angry about how other people have modded their game when it only effects them.

[-] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago

You can still play the mod! It's not outlawed or anything. It's just that Nexus didn't want it on their website. He can easily distribute that Mod elsewhere. It was Nexus's choise and they choose to get rid of it.

[-] glitches_brew@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

As they have every right to do.

Sure, you have freedom of speech, but no, you don't have the right to use my megaphone to say stupid shit.

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[-] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

No, they effect everyone. By publishing the mod, the creator told the world exactly how they feel about this subject. If it were the case as you put it, then they'd just create the mod and use it solely for themselves and not tell anyone. It's still despicable, but at least they aren't going to hurt anyone as no-one can stumble across it. Instead, they made a choice and the backlash they've received is a consequence of that choice.

[-] SkyeStarfall 22 points 1 year ago

Also it's very tiring for minorities to constantly exist in a hostile world. Imagine knowing that every place you go to has at least someone outright decrying your existence.

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[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

so many of the replies read like entries to a libertarian contest. and in traditional fashion it seems they forgot to actually read your comment. it’s nice to see a post that understands why the mod is a problem and explains it well, even if so many in the replies seem unable to grasp it.

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[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 160 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just to be clear for everyone here, the mod author effectively stated the goal was to reduce diversity.

There are other mods that change gender of characters that state no such thing, which are still up. It's really only the intent here that mattered.

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[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 103 points 1 year ago

Nexus consistently refuses to be a platform for bigotry.

That should not be controversial, at all, in any context.

If this asshat wants to publish it elsewhere - he's free to. Nobody's stopping him. It's just a file. He has every moral right to modify software however he sees fit, and he has every practical right to be a homophobe online with fellow homophobes.

But I don't want anything to do with him. I don't want to use any website that's cool with bigots spreading bigotry. If the people who run the website don't want to deal with that shit either... tough shit, guy. Find another bar. This one's not for Nazis. Warn all your Nazi friends.

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[-] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 74 points 1 year ago

This is hardly news, Nexus has removed mods like these in the past from games like Spider-man and Skyrim. Their rules are pretty straightforward when it comes to stuff like this.

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[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago

Good, fuck that modder

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 70 points 1 year ago

And nothing of value has been lost. Eff that mod.

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[-] Mikina@programming.dev 63 points 1 year ago

I don't have any issues with diversity and inclusivity, and support it however I can.

But I don't really see the problem with this mod? It's a honest question, I've just read the article, and the Nexus mod answer doesn't make much sense to me. I mean there are literally mods that change every character in Skyrim to females, how is that different? (I didn't log in to see the if the mod is active, but I'm sure there's a lot of "we change this character to female" mods for any game).

And more importantly, why not let anyone do whatever they want with their game, and enjoy it however they want? Or was it similar to the Starfield pronouns mod, where the creator went on a hateful rant in the mod description, and acted like a total dick, spewing their bullshit intorelant propaganda? Then, the removal would be understandable. Otherwise, it's just counter-productive and only serves to even more divide people and turn them against eachother, and feels like an unnecessary witch-hunt and a PR stunt.

But please correct me if I'm wrong or missing something, there's probably some context that I don't have.

[-] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 74 points 1 year ago

Nah this mod was making trans people into trans people that regretted it. They planned on removing all the people of colour because of "realism" and do other assorted fuckery. There was a long post about the group that was writing this mod, it wasn't done in good faith.

[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In other words, there's "let people mod whatever they like" and there's mods that are effectively a statement of an ethos, and not all ethos are worth letting your platform be used to broadcast.

There's also mods that are tools to give players more freedom, and mods that are fixes to correct what the dev sees as mistakes or shortcomings. The difference between "choose what color you want the flags to be" and "the flags are all blue now". The latter is a statement of a belief: "I think the game would be better if all the flags were blue".

The changes in this mod could be framed differently, like "gives player more granular control over NPC gender and sexuality". It could have been done in a respectful and open-ended fashion that doesn't play on harmful stereotypes. It could even be used to make the game "more gay" if the player chooses, then if some players choose to make it all "less gay", so be it. That would be fine.

But that's not what this mod is, and the intent behind it is fairly obvious. There's no reason to pussyfoot around this one with arguments about player freedom, that wasn't why it was made.

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[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago

This is not the Baldur's Gat devs dashing into the mod maker's house and holding him at gunpoint until he deletes the mod. I'd agree, that would be inappropriate.

What this is instead is the people running Nexus deciding that they don't want to be associated with this kind of content and that they are not willing to host it. If you owned a bar and it started being frequented by neo-Nazis, you'd be perfectly within your rights to kick them out, because you're a private business owner and can conduct it however you like within the bounds of the law.

Your position isn't the "live and let live" idea you think it is, because what you're in effect claiming is that the people behind Nexus should be forced to host content that they find extremely morally objectionable.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago

Just because the mod isn't on Nexus mod it doesn't mean the creator can't use it or share it, it just means Nexus mod finds it unacceptable and doesn't want to host it, so people can do whatever they want with their game and Nexus mod can do whatever they want with their website.

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[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

As was said, the mod author stated the goal was to reduce diversity.

There are other mods that change gender of characters that state no such thing, which are still up.

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[-] Zima@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

I would hope that a similar mod that gives options to disable certain types of romances would have been better suited. So long as it doesn’t single out the types of romances he dislikes.

[-] FunkyMonk@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago

I DEMAND GAYER AND HORNIER (but in reality I'm still on divinity 2...)

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[-] SweatyFireBalls@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I suppose the irony of trying to make it less lGbtq and instead making it lgbTq goes unnoticed by the bigoted creator?

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