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Kelsey Grammer sounded curt this morning when he brusquely told a BBC Today program interviewer that he still supports Donald Trump but, according to his interviewer, this curtness doesn’t tell the full story.

Grammer’s interviewer Justin Webb said the Frasier star was “perfectly happy” to go on talking about his support for the former POTUS, “the Paramount+ PR team, less so.”

Grammer has previously expressed support for Trump – a relatively rare position for a TV and movie star to take – and he also used his BBC interview to back Roseanne Barr, another self-confessed Trump supporter.

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[-] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 241 points 2 years ago

Frasier was on my backlog of stuff to watch. It's nice when my backlog clears itself like this.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Original Frasier is still one of the all time amazing shows. And that is almost entirely because of the "supporting cast" of David Hyde Pearce, John Mahoney, Jane Leeves, and Peri Gilpin. It is 100% still worth watching and it is even clear what episodes/seasons they were working around Grammer being coked out of his mind or otherwise problematic.

Its not quite Person of Interest's (paraphrasing only because I can't look up the specific wording right now) "he is like a dog that pissed everywhere and wouldn't stop talking about hitler" mess, but Grammer also generally seems more like a dumbass Bush-era Republican as opposed to a full alt-right lunatic. He is a piece of shit who has condoned a LOT of hate, but is also "a product of his time" as it were.

As for new Frasier? I am a lot less interested in watching that. Mostly because, as so many of us point out, "They did a Frasier spinoff starring the worst character"*

But OG Frasier? The show increasingly became focused around Niles (which makes sense since Niles was a lot closer to what Cheers-era Frasier actually was) and David Hyde Pearce put on multiple master classes as he and the writers somehow managed to perfectly capture "the adult millennial" years before we even existed. And so many of the interactions with Martin (Mahoney) hit so much harder as you have lived a lot longer and had to acknowledge the failings of others. Daphne and Roz were often stuck in comic relief mode, but Leeves and Gilpin still kick ass when they are given a chance to shine. And, piece of shit that he is, Grammer can pull off an epic monologue to close out an emotional arc and leave you on the verge of tears, right before you burst into laughter at the punchline.

*: Also, it very much bothers me that Freddy became Martin. Maybe they go into it more, but his childhood very much established him as the offspring of Frasier and Lilith. And while it makes sense that he would rebel against his overbearing parents to be like his fun and "man of the people" Grandfather, it is completely unearned. Maybe the back half of the season does that but... I still think that having one of Niles's children (maybe a daughter) as the Martin role would be a lot more fitting. Niles dealing with a Firefighter child is comedic gold and Niles and Daphne are much more likely to "let their kids be who they are". And it would play on The Moon Genes fears of the last few episodes.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago

I would have given the benefit of the doubt until the Roseanne part. My condolences to the good people whose creative work will go unseen.

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[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

I don’t know that I’d list Frazier as one of the all time amazing shows. That’s something I’d reserve for shows like Schitt’s Creek, Good Place, and The Wire. A show like MASH. All in the Family, which surfaced so much of what was happening in society at the time. The Jeffersons.

I’d rank Frasier closer to something like Friends or Dharma and Greg. Definitely below Seinfeld or 30 Rock. It was funny. It had good writers and the characters exhibited a chemistry that made the show work as a show, but beyond that it was pretty ephemeral. That’s just my opinion.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

A lot of it is the idea of "seinfeld isn't funny". Seinfeld was fairly revolutionary at the time because of how it approached humor, pacing, and even character "design". It is just that it also influenced almost every single show that came after season 3 or 4 so a lot of people who didn't "grow up with it" won't really "appreciate it". But that also manifests it as being the kind of show that "ages well". Its why TBS still shows Seinfled reruns to this day and people still go for a re-watch.

And Frasier is very much in that same category. Character arcs were very much ahead of their time and the nuance that Niles, Martin, and even Frasier were allowed to have still stands up today (and puts the reboot to shame). Its "cheating", but there is a reason that Cheers, which was arguably the most popular sitcom on television during its run, is now mostly viewed as the show Frasier spun out of. Its the kind of writing and pacing that largely could be on TV today... because it was so influential.

Friends is the odd one out. And I think, ignoring all of the "Wow everyone was horrible" and "Ross is a psychopath" memes: It very much defined what shows like How I Met Your Mother would become. I don't think it holds up anywhere near as well as Frasier, but that is also because Frasier largely ended a year after their shit season and had the payoff of Niles and Daphne's child. Friends... continued for another five or six with the main thread being "Oh, I guess we are doing a will they or won't they with Ross and Rachel again?"

Like, you reference The Good Place which I also put as one of the all time greats. And that, as well as Parks and Rec before it, very much benefited from shows like Frasier that show you can truly do the multi-season emotional arcs in a sitcom where you alternatingly laugh and cry. And Chidi has a LOT of Crane DNA in him as he is simultaneously mocked for being a "hoity toity, barely functioning, intellectual" while also having so much of the show's emotional and narrative weight put on his shoulders. We laugh as he has a nervous breakdown over having the future of everything put on him but we are also right there with him and rooting for him to find The Answer. He is a goober but, bah gawd, he is OUR goober and if he needs to make a big vat of chili to function then let's go to the mother fucking store.

Sometimes you have shows like Veronica Mars. It was SPECTACULAR for what it was but... not a lot of people are going to be arguing for newbies to really watch it. But it also laid a lot of the groundwork for shows like iZombie which... look, I love that show but I am also not going to really be encouraging people to watch it at this point. Whereas Jessica Jones has a LOT of the same DNA and... Season 1 of that is spectacular and holds up.

Whereas something like MASH is arguably the genesis of a lot of "very special episodes" that everyone hates. But it very much popularized the idea of "the sad clown" dealing with horrible stress and strain (which would be the basis of shows like ER and even House) as well as a willingness to "poke fun at" some truly important contemporary issues even while giving them the respect they deserve. Which was obviously important in the 70s (hmmm) but is also a direct ancestor of shows like Boston Legal and Brooklyn 99 (and even The Good Place) that aren't afraid to acknowledge things like systemic racism while also making us laugh because... the alternative is to just shut down. And while I don't hear as many people say "you should watch MASH in 2023", its best episodes are still held up as masterpieces.

And while I think All in the Family needs a lot more credit than it deserves, it was very much more of "a very special episode" rather than blending. And The Jeffersons (and the first season or so of Family Matters) is similarly incredibly influential but suffers from being "a black show". Whereas something like Fresh Prince of Bel-Air found a way to get that to a wider audience who won't clutch their pearls if they see Tyler Perry on screen.

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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 20 points 2 years ago

He is a piece of shit who has condoned a LOT of hate, but is also “a product of his time” as it were.

We're still in his time. I don't think we should excuse people by saying they're a product of their time until they've been dead for a while.

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[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

“They did a Frasier spinoff starring the worst character”

This is amazing, gonna use it

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[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago

I mean... no Niles, no care

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Yep! Buh bye now. Buh bye.

[-] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 115 points 2 years ago

Kelsey Grammar has always been a bible bashing whack job.

Just go look up his late night interview where he talks about how he randomly opens the bible to answer the question ‘how long will I live for?’ And is satisfied that god answers him by saying he will live to 160 (or some other ridiculous figure I can’t remember).

Seriously he thinks the bible is a magic eight ball and god is guiding what page it turns to.

[-] KnowledgeableNip@leminal.space 20 points 2 years ago

"God, what awaits me today?"

There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. --Ezekiel 23:20

"oh."

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 2 years ago

Don't you mean "bible thumping"? Bible bashing is what I do when I call it horse shit.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 94 points 2 years ago

"Kelsey! Stop telling people the truth about yourself! Paramount+ is hemorrhaging money!"

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[-] badcommandorfilename@lemmy.world 92 points 2 years ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago

Clearly, the writers just followed him around and wrote down what he said whenever they had a Sideshow Bob episode.

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[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 86 points 2 years ago

This is disappointing to hear

[-] kylie_kraft@lemmy.world 69 points 2 years ago

I could hardly stand Kelsey Grammer before I found out that he was a magat, now I want to throw stuff at him

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

The real question you have to ask is why he supports Trump. Greed or hate?

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 27 points 2 years ago
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[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

I respected him as a performer and enjoyed his work. That's now in the past.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

I never liked Cheers or Frasier, but he seemed like an okay actor overall. I mean you wouldn't have Sideshow Bob without him.

That doesn't make him less of a shithead though.

[-] deadtom@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago

He only mostly supports the insurrection and attempted overthrow of our democracy, so it's cool.

[-] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 31 points 2 years ago

Frasier is so old, Trump is the only way he can maintain an insurrection.

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[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 53 points 2 years ago

Fuck Kelsey Grammer. I hope his reboot fails miserably.

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[-] charonn0@startrek.website 46 points 2 years ago

And I just lost all respect for him, along with any desire to ever see him on screen ever again.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Grammer never went full "Kirk Cameron" with his professional career, but he's always been super right-wing, and the guy has some notable bible thumper and anti-abortion flicks on his IMDB page. He's done a decent job of keeping his fringy beliefs out of the press.

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[-] nomecks@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago

Guy who was in multiple pro-us army movies is pro Trump. Shocker of the year here.

[-] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 50 points 2 years ago

Nobody that is pro-US army should support Trump, cause Trump is obviously anti-US army.

Nobody that is pro-US should support Trump, cause Trump is obviously anti-US.

Nobody should support Trump.

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[-] crsu@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

His sister was murdered in the most conservative town in Colorado. Maybe conservativism doesn't work Mr. Grammer?

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago

To them conservatism can never fail. It can only be failed, because you didn't conservative hard enough. There is no introspection, no critical thinking. Only doubling down. Because otherwise all the suffering would have been for naught.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I know you're joking, but at the same time I know you're really not.

Republicans do not believe that they do not make mistakes, they merely believe that admitting a mistake would in itself be a mistake

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[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

He’s a MAGAt? Pathetic. What an asshole.

I didn't know that until today. Really disappointing.

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 27 points 2 years ago

If the Frasier reboot fails, will he have been cancelled?

[-] jhulten@infosec.pub 35 points 2 years ago

If I never watch it, did it ever air?

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[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Boycott Paramount, they suck anyway

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Ok some actor has an opinion, why do I care exactly?

I care.

I love Frasier. Hes always been a Republican but knows how to laugh at himself. He plays smart characters who do incredibly stupid things. He used to go on late night shows and talk about how stupid his choices are. He plays Sideshow Bob on the Simpsons.

His show also recently got a revival, so there's a brand new season of Frasier.

But the support of psychopath Roseanne...? Kelsey Grammer, wtf.

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[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

It’s ok. Frazier reboot is unlikely to get renewed. People didn’t watch the original for Kelsey. They watched it for the talented ensemble and skillful writing.

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[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Loved the OG Frasier show. The new one is cringe as hell. Without Niles the show lost like 90% of its charm.

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[-] Modva@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Wow, I've never changed my opinion on someone so fast before, that's insane.

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