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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 66 points 10 months ago

Jesus fucking Christ

[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 51 points 10 months ago

Have they already gone through the billions in weapons we've already given them?

[-] akincisor@sh.itjust.works 23 points 10 months ago

Billions don't go through as many hospitals as they used to.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 45 points 10 months ago

This article is inaccurate or at least misleading in its title presentation. It's reporting on something that happened on October 20th, as the second paragraph notes, and was never actually enacted. In fact, Biden moved back from this and has been instead moving to restrict all weaponry sales to Israel in the past few days.

Biden has not been in any form of good light in my eyes in the past two months, but please don't spread fake or misleading information like this.

[-] nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago

It’s reporting on something that happened on October 20th, as the second paragraph notes, and was never actually enacted.

It's reporting on a budget request filed on October 20th. The requests pertain to fiscal year 2024. It's still set before the Senate to be voted on.

[-] PhoenixAlpha@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

Do you have a source for him moving to restrict sales? I see there was a House bill about that a couple weeks ago, but it didn't involve Biden.

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[-] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 40 points 10 months ago

Oh good we're giving more weapons to the genocidal regime that attacked our warship, interfered in our elections, and illegally acquired nukes, all on our dime.

Biden, elected by the youth vote, essentially retiring with this move, but still running so as to ensure a trump victory so they don't need to enforce any troublesome laws.

[-] shani66@lemmy.comfysnug.space 38 points 10 months ago
[-] snoopfrog@midwest.social 17 points 10 months ago

My exact reaction too. They're just steamrolling civilians in Gaza. I guess our relationship with them as an armed ally in the area is more important than some light genocide.

Just my opinion, but we knew this would happen eventually. I'm in my 40s and remember hearing enough about Israel in my teens and 20s that I've always thought of them as the "wish a motherfucker would" type. And here we are.

[-] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 32 points 10 months ago

And you get a genocide and you get a.... No, just Israel actually.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 21 points 10 months ago

I’ve been trying to convince my parents that this is absofuckinglutely genocide. It has not gone well. They are convinced that Israel is simply defending themselves, and all the civilian casualties are just how war is.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 13 points 10 months ago

You could make the comparison with Russia's actions towards Ukraine. Is it "just war" when Russia intentionally bombs children's schools and hospitals? Most countries are civilized enough to only target military targets during a war. It's also worth pointing out that modern missiles do not "accidentally" hit the wrong target, that's about as likely as shooting a gun and "accidentally" hitting your friend standing behind you.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Some estimates say over one million Iraqis were killed during the American invasion and occupation.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 8 points 10 months ago

Americans aren't civilized, just entitled. (Yes, I'm an American)

[-] little_hermit@lemmus.org 21 points 10 months ago
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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There's nothing genocide Joe loves more than bombing brown people. Reminder that this is the same piece of human garbage that voted for the invasion of Iraq in which US regime massacred over a million people.

[-] BurningRiver@beehaw.org 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah, I didn’t read all 69 pages of the document. After 30 pages, I got RFP’d out and stopped.

There’s nowhere in this document that supports OP’s claim in the headline. If someone wants to refute my claim here, I’d be willing to address that with a citation in the document. But other than that, this entire post should be removed because it’s based on a horseshit claim.

A post like this is why downvotes are needed.

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[-] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 10 months ago

But Ukraine can't even get enough AGTMs and shells. God forbid mentioning atacms, almost two fucking years!

I can't believe that Netanjahu is more trustworthy than Zaluzhny.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 18 points 10 months ago

all US puppets suffer the same fate in the end

[-] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 3 points 10 months ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

Here we have a smooth brained individual still bleating about Kremlin stooges. Absolutely incredible stuff.

[-] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ukraine and Israel are both democracies with democratically elected governments.

You’re regurgitating kremlin talking points. If you’re not a Kremlin stooge, you’re a useful idiot.

[-] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

Before we proceed to discuss this valuable political point, what is your opinion on JWBush's 1990 speech in Verkhovna Rada? Or you are of that bunch who thought oatmeal cookies on Maidan in 2014 were how these ammies bought Ukraine's independence?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

I'm of the opinion that US wanted political capture of as much of former USSR as it could get ever since USSR dissolved, and has succeeded in creating vassal states out of most former Soviet republics. Ukraine tried to maintain its neutrality between the west and Russia and largely succeeded until US ran a violent coup in 2014, at which point the legitimate elected government was overthrown.

[-] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

You know nothing about Ukraine.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Both my parents were born in Ukraine, but do tell me more.

[-] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

Last time I checked, the birthplace of parents doesn't qualify you for any domain specific knowledge.

Just as you don't know a thing about the chicken Kiev speech, you lack any deep, actual knowledge of what life in Ukraine is. Or rather was before 2013.

And yeah, the whole quora post you link to is laughable - how much things does it get wrong.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

You're right, it's the time I've spent learning about the subject that qualifies me to speak on the subject and how I know you're full of shit.

[-] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You evade answering questions like debt collectors.

Did you ever read a book on Ukraine's history? Name one?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

I love how you keep trying to derail the discussion to make it about me instead of staying on topic of what's being discussed. It's more sophisticated trolling, I'll give you that. Here are a few books for you

  • Грани и рубежи by Гайда Ф. А.
  • Украинский вопрос в Российской империи by Миллер А.
  • Борьба за Украину и битва под Конотопом by Бабулин И. Б.
  • Імперія пам'яті. Російсько - українські стосунки в радянській історичній уяві. by Єкельчик С.
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[-] UnixWeeb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 10 months ago

I can't imagine Hamas being the sole reason behind this decision. Of course at face value it is but feels like they are taking this opportunity to do this for some other reason.

Terrible nonetheless but worried about what else is to happen due to this.

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[-] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 9 points 10 months ago

I get the feeling that Israelis have something on joe or his son

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 10 months ago

More likely he's getting a cut from the billions that defense contractors are making by selling arms to Israel.

[-] BurningRiver@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago

Yes, you’re worried about a guy greasing his pockets who rode a train to work for 20 years, and not the constant grifter who sends out monthly emails begging for money for his legal fees for lawyers he refuses to pay. This is a completely reasonable take.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 months ago

Who? I have no idea what you're on about..

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“If enacted, the amendments would create a two-step around restrictions on U.S. weapons transfers to Israel,” said John Ramming Chappell, a legal fellow with the Center for Civilians in Conflict.

Under circumstances laid out in these requirements, Israel has been able to draw on the stockpile, purchasing the weapons at little cost if it uses the effective subsidy of U.S. military aid.

The effect of lifting the restrictions on transfers to Israel — such as eliminating the requirement that the weapons be part of a surplus — could harm U.S. interests by diminishing American preparedness for its own conflicts in the region, said Josh Paul, a former official who served in the State Department’s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs.

The U.S. government is only supposed to spend $200 million per fiscal year restocking the WRSA-I — about half the total cap for all U.S. stockpiles round the globe.

The U.S. currently requires that Israel grant certain concessions in exchange for certain types of arms assistance from the Pentagon, but the White House request would remove this condition as well.

“The Biden administration’s supplemental budget request would further undermine oversight and accountability even as U.S. support enables an Israeli campaign that has killed thousands of children,” said Chappell, of Center for Civilians in Conflict.


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