If they are donating to Conservatives then they are no more liberal than Joe Manchin is Democrat.
Calling themselves liberal doesn’t make it true. It’s the actions that decide what group they fall into.
Liberalism, at least in the neoliberalism form governing the Democratic Party, is an economically conservative ideology that favors money, business "opportunity" and order over everything else whenever they're in conflict.
That and it's common practice amongst people who can afford it to bet on both horses so they'll have bribed their way to influence no matter what.
I agree with this in general, but it doesn't apply to this situation from what I can tell.
The American Compass isn't something I'm familiar with before this article, but the article says they are trying to leverage right wing populism to traditional conservatism which I read as social conservatism.
As such, both the liberal groups the article highlights donate because the American Compass is anti-corporate.
The Hewlett Foundation did not reply, either, though the group has explained its donations online, stating that American Compass is “working to restore an economic orthodoxy that emphasizes the importance of family, community, and industry,” eschewing “growth for its own sake” in favor of “widely shared economic development that sustains vital social institutions.”
The other liberal group cites their pro-worker stance
In a statement for the Omidyar Network Foundation, a spokesperson told The Daily Beast, “We would encourage you to reach out to American Compass directly for comment on the pro-worker elements they were able to advocate for related to Project 2025.” The spokesperson did not reply to follow-ups seeking specific comment on American Compass’ affiliation with anti-democratic groups and ideologies that appear at odds with Omidyar’s historical support for inclusive global development.
Now, I think their pro-worker stance is short sighted and self serving at best and disingenuous at worst, but, for reasons I can't seem to glean, these organizations weren't able to see that clearly. Or they could, but it doesn't make sense with their other donations.
Just because you can find similarities between two parties doesnt make them the same.
This organization calling itself liberal is acting in the best interest of conservatives by donating to them. So that makes them conservative and not liberal no matter what they call themselves.
A liberal is not necessarily a leftist. I'd comfortably say the liberal Democrats are not at all leftist
Just because you can find similarities between two parties doesnt make them the same.
Never said that. I'm saying that they're much more similar than many people think, which is true.
So that makes them conservative and not liberal no matter what they call themselves.
That's part of what I'm saying: neoliberalism IS economically conservative, so the "conservative or liberal" is mostly only a question of degrees rather than two opposite poles when it comes to economical issues.
It makes PERFECT sense when it comes to social issues, though.
It's a bit more nuanced than that. Liberalism isn't the opposite of conservatism. When monarchy was the norm, liberalism was an extremely progressive, revolutionary philosophy. Today, with liberal democracies being the norm, liberalism is essentially conservative. That's not, in itself, a bad thing - I want to conserve the core ideals of liberalism myself, and we can have an anticapitalist, progressive form of liberalism, that keeps what's most important, the real heart of liberalism - individual liberty, equality under law, consent of the governed - while also moving ahead to end warfare and establish pro-social economics. However, we can also have a liberalism that protects generational wealth and funds the war machine. It's far past time for people to decide whether liberalism, alone, is enough.
Alright. Your definitions are fine, correct even. But…
In American press, liberal means left. Full stop. You’re a socialist? American press will call you “extremely liberal”. American readers will understand that.
I get that your would like to use the definition of the word that has global application. Doesn’t matter. In the us, liberal means left.
This article is about left leaning orgs donating to conservative causes and the comments are worrying what liberal means.
The article is claiming that an organization that is donating to conservatives is liberal.
Why do they claim this organization is liberal?
According to the article:
“Of the five groups, two stand out for their prominent histories of supporting liberal causes—the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation and the Omidyar Network Foundation.”
It’s because this organization donated to a couple charities.
How does that make them liberal? Answer: it doesn’t
So why is this article making that claim? What motives could they have to do that?
No, this is exactly what liberalism is all about. The DNC supported Trump because they thought he would be more likely to lose, a tactic I think they've done before and I know they've done since
What does the DNC have to do with this article? Or did you not read it?
Maybe they're "cLaSSiCaL LiBeRaLs"
Once again, George Carlin - The Big Club
(NSFW - language)
Carlin is the best that ever was, and possibly the best that ever will be.
I don't like selling the future short, but you may be right.
And we ain’t in it.
The personal foundations for the owners of the Omidyar Group and Hewlett Packard. (Commonly referred to as HP).
Yup totally not rich people bullshit.
Can we stop being surprised the wealthy back fascists?
If there's nobody fashionable doing anything right, then there's nobody to follow who's doing anything right. Therefore the whole world is gearing up for the apocalypse instead of bothering to take the simple steps that would prevent it. We get Elon Musk instead of another Tesla, who died penniless and robbed of his legacy. The apocalypse becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The world gets worse because no one is trying to make it better.
A world populated by nothing more than gorillas is a waste.
What makes something a "liberal org"?
Just because an organization donates to NPR doesn't mean it's a "liberal org" lol
Hot take:
This is the problem with the public not knowing what liberal means, or having some nebulous understanding that basically means "Democrat"
Came here to say this.
The Hewlett Foundation lists the grants they've given to American Compass, they list all their grants.
https://hewlett.org/grants/?keyword=American%20compass&sort=relevance¤t_page=1
Of the five groups, two stand out for their prominent histories of supporting liberal causes—the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation and the Omidyar Network Foundation.
So, we know which groups can't be trusted with donations.
And if we're looking to sow discord among Republicans, we know which recipient to repeatedly out as filthy RINOs who are beholden to librul donors.
Not for nothing, but these "groups" are really just oligarchs with too much money. They fund things to buy influence. One of them is the guy who founded eBay. He doesn't give a shit who is in the White House as long as they take his phone calls.
Oligarchs with too much money
Modern day aristocracy.
the french had the right idea.
we need some fucking guillotines up in here.
To the surprise of absolutely nobody who's not been uncritically supporting a private corporation masquerading as a public political party 🙄
The lesser evil is BY DEFINITION STILL EVIL.
Not sure how you're attempting to tie this to Dems in general.
It's specific organizations that often support sane (and left) causes also supporting Trump.
Naming those orgs is valuable reporting. Trying to tie it to Dems in general is weird.
Not surprised that rich people support other rich people
Hey look, another thing liberals will completely ignore while whining that anyone who doesn't VBNMH is a horrible person
anyone who doesn’t VBNMH is a horrible person
If they vote for Trump or RFK Jr., they are, in fact, a horrible person.
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