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Congressional staff say the mood inside the Capitol is tense, stifling and bewildering as members brush off their constituents’ outrage.

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[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 113 points 2 years ago

Let's see how the strategy of ignoring calls from your base a year before a contested election that your opponent polls higher in key states works out for them. It feels like the DNC is trying to lose in 2024 right now.

[-] SnotFlickerman 87 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It feels like the DNC is trying to lose in 2024 right now.

And this is new, how? It feels like they're trying to throw every election. They never even bother to call out Republicans on their shenanigans and they spend a lot of time being like "We know the fascists passed these very fascist laws, but everything falls apart if we don't take the obviously fascist laws they passed with the seriousness they deserve by enforcing those fascist laws. We have to play by these rules they've set that benefit them and harm us, because if we did that, it would be unfair and undemocratic." (Conveniently ignores Republicans being unfair and undemocratic.)

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

That's fair. The DNC loves to rig things because they think they know better than the voters they rely on...

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[-] constate368@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

Lose to who? The republicans?

Sweetie, we've already established the gridlock of 'lesser evil.' All democrats have to do to win is be slightly less worse than the republicans, which is incredibly easy.

[-] zout@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago

Which works every time, unless it doesn't work.Like when Hillary Clinton lost against Donald Trump.

[-] constate368@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

Yeah... hillary clinton wasn't a good nominee.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Blame the DNC for manipulating a Clinton nomination win over Sanders.

[-] zout@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

She was at least slightly less worse than Trump though.

[-] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

True, but the problem was the Dems assumed it was a slam dunk, and wound up pretty much handing Trump the presidency.

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[-] SnotFlickerman 14 points 2 years ago

Don't forget her campaign literally centered Trump in her "pied piper" strategy.

She built her own political demise.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

And all her supporters still blame progressives.

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[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

If true, we peons pay the price for that, not them.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 79 points 2 years ago

Congressional staff say the mood inside the Capitol is tense, stifling and bewildering as members brush off their constituents’ outrage.

Why would this be any different than every other issue about which they're ignoring their constituents?

[-] SnotFlickerman 44 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Just send out a form letter response, geeze! How hard is it really to ignore your constituents effectively? I've been receiving form letter responses for decades now, it's not hard guys! You don't even have to functionally address any points made by your constituents, just shit out a form letter with a loose connection to the ideas presented and you're good.

The number of times an elected official has made it clear that my opinions mean fuck-all to them is extremely high.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Would help if we didn't cap the house of reps.

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[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

On the one hand, congressmen know that if they don't back Israel unconditionally, they will be accused of being antisemitic, in league with Nazis.

On the other hand, Israel routinely violates human rights, it conducts an apartheid regime in the West Bank, it sponsors settlers whose actions clearly violate international law, and its conduct in Gaza looks more like genocide than it doesn't. And it does all of that with US backing, despite US law forbidding the US from giving military aid to countries that ...violate human rights.

So, if you recognize any of that, you're a Nazi?

It's so frustrating to know that our elected leaders are made to not recognize actual human rights violations, for fear of being accused of antisemitism even though Israel's government is not the same thing as the Jewish people.

My social media is full of Jews pointing out that Israel's actions goes against their faith, that they experience pain and shame knowing that Israel claims to do them in the name of Judaism.

Just once I wish American congresspeople had it in them to exhibit anything like moral courage.

[-] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago

Didn't Biden already call for a cease-fire not long ago? The best he could do is pulling funding at this stage, putting boots on the ground would be an attack on the spiritual holy land of a variety of religious fanatics and against Zionist beliefs that gentiles should know their place, unless of course Ben himself called on Biden for some imaginary reason 🤔

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

No. He called for a pause, and that's what we got. Now there's a short pause every day while they reload.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

President can't "pull funding". They can only veto a bill.

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[-] oakey66@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

It’s so crazy because I’m seeing the exact opposite. A bunch of Jewish folks in my extended family being vehemently pro Israel. It’s wild.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 27 points 2 years ago

You know how many people actually complained about Janet Jackson's boob reveal at the Superbowl?

25

It's just that they each called 1,000 times.

[-] SnotFlickerman 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't understand why it's not considered harassment of an elected official when they are doing that.

Calling a few times, sure no big deal, but a thousand times for each person? That's fully in the territory of harassment and abuse.

You shouldn't be rewarded for that behavior by fucking giving in to it.

Especially when rewarding them is saying "Okay, because you harassed us so much we've decided your opinion matters and we'll actually do something about this issue."

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 10 points 2 years ago

Before they figured out what went on they did reward them. The FCC fined the broadcasters millions of dollars.

Point is that phone calls aren't a good Guage of public opinion. Non form letter e-mails or letters are much better.

[-] constate368@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Does anyone actually believe contacting representatives matters?

If it did, why would they take bribes?

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago

US Representatives care.

US Senators have achieved escape velocity and can just concentrate on their stock trading and junkets.

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[-] Talaraine@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

I'm pretty sure Israel is calling in all the favors for supporting our gallavant through the Middle East in the name of revenge.

[-] SnotFlickerman 18 points 2 years ago

Oh they answer those calls, though.

[-] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

So that's after they stole nukes, attacked our warship, and interfered in our elections.

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm not sure how my idea will come across but here goes.

This Gaza conflict is complicated as F. I think most people agree with that.

Pretty much everyone that's touched it has blood on their hands by this point. And everyone in the fallout has been hurt in some immeasurably painful way.

The US involvement multiples the complexity because there is evidently a proxy between Hamas and Iran, and the US is already in opposition to Iran in other ways.

The US is also in the position of throwing its weight around in many other conflicts at the moment.

Diplomatically, this US is walking a thin line all over the place between needing to show strength vs compassion. Using negotiating finesse vs being strong fisted.

Inside the US, our representatives ideally can think for themselves, but as a party they hopefully work as a team to represent the American best interests, vis a vis "the people." Specifically, I mean the people don't always know what they want or how to get there, nor do they educate themselves as a whole about every issue at play. Not to mention that international diplomacy issues are very often not shared with the public.

So, yes, the average human with a functioning soul wants to see a ceasefire yesterday. But what if there is something else at play that we don't know about, which justifies not pressuring Israel to stop?

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 14 points 2 years ago

What, in your mind, justifies helping genocide?

No joke, you clearly think its a possible concept. What thing could you theorize justifies this?

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[-] 5too@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've never found this sort of argument compelling. Yes, it's possible there's things going on we don't know about; and sometimes tactical and strategic necessities may require hidden actions.

Those actions still need brought to light as soon as it's feasible to do so; and I struggle to imagine what sort of strategic necessity would require this sort of stance for more than a few months, let alone the years these stances have been in effect. Not to mention the difficulty of keeping something on this scale quiet for this long. At best, things are more or less as they appear - the alternative is there's things they don't want their electors to find out.

[-] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 6 points 2 years ago

https://youtu.be/62I61kBahNY?si=EPFMpGYNM1gCK2iT

Michael Brooks on the complexity of Gaza.

Leadership of Hamas is in Qatar, money from Qatar was released through Israel by Bibi. So additional to this video showing how not complex it is, the Israeli leader wants Hamas in charge to make sure nothing peaceful happens in a joined Westbank and Gaza.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Just as in any schoolyard fight when you remove the power imbalance and or the bully the problem goes away.

The solution here is to move one of the "kids in the fight" somewhere else. One of them is saying I was here first. The other kid has a rich dad.

We all know what the correct moral decision is here when you take away the political labels.

The big fuckup here was by daddy England back in 1947 and he's got massive egg and on his face right now.

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

In a fair world, I would agree with you. But in every conflict since the beginning of time, at least on this faulty rock careening through space, the wealthy are the winners. Every king became king because he controlled the most resources and squashed his opposers.

If the rest of the world hadn't gotten involved I don't think Gaza would have even made it this far.

[-] febra@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

"Man, it's too complicated.. I don't know.. man.. None of my business.."

That's all that I'm getting from this. This is not the first time in history when people have turned a blind eye to a massacre because "it's too complicated".

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[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago

Is it because the Biden admin already got Israel to agree to daily humanitarian pauses?

[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

That's like putting a bandaid on a severed limb

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago
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[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago

Why don't they just let the average uninformed and outraged voter set international policy, or answer the phone and calmly explain to them why they're wrong and go over the realpolitik intricacies of this conflict?

If discussing this matter on Lemmy has taught me anything. It's that some people are outraged, partisan, and cannot be reasoned with. It's no wonder they're letting it go to voicemail.

[-] timicin@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

difference they're not on lemmy; they're people to volunteered to work in a position where they have to deal with this behavior.

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[-] Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Why should they be expected to have the manpower to answer every single one? A voicemail gets the message across perfectly fine.

[-] SnotFlickerman 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Why should they be expected to have the manpower to answer every single one?

Because they are expected to consider the opinions of their constituents, and as an elected representative and they are supposed to represent our interests, not theirs.

To be able to functionally listen to your constituents, yes, you need the staff to be able to do it.

You think that listening to and transcribing voicemails somehow takes less time than taking a call? Pro-tip, they take about the same amount of time.

I mean, with that attitude, why have any staff at all? Just let it all go to voicemail and never read any of those thousands of emails from constituents! Fuck 'em! Fuck representative democracy, amirite?

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