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Ukraine war: Zelensky says Israel-Gaza conflict taking focus away from fighting (www.bbc.co.uk)

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The Israel-Gaza war is "taking away the focus" from the conflict in Ukraine, the country's President Volodymyr Zelensky has admitted.

He said this was "one of the goals" of Russia, which launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

And he denied that fighting in Ukraine had reached a stalemate, despite a recent assessment to this effect by the country's top military general.

Ukraine's counter-offensive in the south has so far made little headway.

This has prompted fears of war fatigue among Kyiv's Western allies, with suggestions of growing reluctance in some capitals to continue giving Ukraine advanced weapons and funds.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 191 points 1 year ago

Never thought I'd agree with Zelensky about something related to Israel. Ukraine deserves aid much more than Israel.

[-] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 26 points 1 year ago

I dont think Israel needs aid.

They are responding to an agressor just the same and doing a great job

[-] lmaydev@lemmy.world 107 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problem is they are also the aggressor and have been for decades.

Hamas and the Israeli government are both fucking awful.

Feels like a stretch to call carpet bombing civilians a great job.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

In terms of killing people A+ Job, no assistance needed.

[-] OctopusKurwa@lemm.ee 61 points 1 year ago

Doing a great job at committing genocide

[-] stella@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago

Israel absolutely does not need aid.

If they need more killing equipment, their ruling class can pay for it.

[-] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Indiscriminate bombing of innocent civilians, refugee camps, and hospitals, all while refusing to allow even basic aid, is not a "great job".

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

i mean, OP said they're doing a great job at responding [...] the same [way], not that they're responding in a great way

so OP is technically correct.

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[-] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 137 points 1 year ago

I hate to say it, but within minutes of hearing about the attack by Hamas against Israel, the unexpectedness of it, and the scale of it, I asked myself, “Who’s funding this,” and, “Who gains by this?” And my brain replied, “Putin.”

Sure enough within days his puppets in our government (the USofA GOP) start talking about reducing/stopping aid to Ukraine.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

Republicans were complaining about aid to Ukraine long before this. Russia is not as sophisticated a puppet master as you think.

[-] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

It's more complex than that, Israel and Russia have much more common geopolitical interest than you might expect if you follow analists: in Sirya for example. This while still having opposite positions about Iran. It's just a mess.

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[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

The most likely intention for the brutality of the terror attack from October was stopping the diplomatic processes between Israel and other Arab countries to establish somewhat normal relations. Putin and Iran are definitely indirect beneficiaries, but there's no need to create narratives where Hamas is the puppet of Iran or Russia because they did something that was aligned with their own interests.

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[-] gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

If you think this is bad, just wait until China goes for Taiwan. "Like butter that has been scraped over too much bread."

[-] stella@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

China is not going to go for Taiwan.

Wish you guys would get this fantasy out of your heads.

[-] i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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[-] HotTakesColdUrine@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

How about you try to prove a positive instead of asking for a source to prove something isn't going to happen, debatelord

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

China is not going to go for Taiwan.

source?

How about you try to prove a positive instead of asking for a source to prove something isn’t going to happen, debatelord

True, you can't prove a negative, but at the same time that person made a firm statement, so someone else's totally in the right to ask for citation to backup what they said.

They could have supplied quotes from Chinese leaders stating that they were never going to invade, etc.

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

The number of opportunities they have to actually pull it off are so few and far between just from demographics, geography, and meteorology alone, that you can count with two hands the exact number of days between now and when the window will basically close permanently when they could even hypothetically make an attempt at it without cursing their entire invasion force to the bottom of the sea before they even encounter a defensive line.

Not to mention the rumours that Taiwan has developed a non-nuclear MAD doctrine which would allow them to instantly turn 400,000,000 Chinese citizens into refugees by blowing the 3 gorges dam. A scenario that would require China to turn any deployed forces right around to institute martial law.

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[-] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

My understanding is that they know it’s not worth it for them. But unfortunately the “glory “ of the “reunification “ makes it worth it for their leaders that want to be remembered for this.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Just like Russia never being stupid enough to invade Ukraine, right?

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Zelenskyy wants Ukraine to be another Israel: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/zelenskyy-wants-ukraine-to-be-a-big-israel-heres-a-road-map/

Which is... interesting... but he'll never replace America's #1 beloved darling sweetheart.

[-] Zippit@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

I think Israel right now wants to be Ukraine. Ukraine has won the people's hearts by fighting so hard despite overwhelming odds. They're paying with their lives to stop Russia not only from destroying them, but also from invading other parts of Europe.

They should be honoured.

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[-] AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

It's creating a new front in regards to the proxy wars. Russia still has the numerical advantage over Ukraine in regards of people it throws into the grinder, but now Iran can get more involved by trying to harass through the Israel-Hamas conflict which decreases the provisions available for Ukraine.

[-] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

What is taking away the focus is the fact that he supported the ethnic cleansing and genocide that Israel is committing in Palestine. So he thought that these things are not inherently bad, but only bad when they are happening to yourself - and fuck everyone else.

Now he's just finding out that that might not have been the smartest move, if he have to explain to the world again that they must give a fuck about his war.

[-] original_reader@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

Source?

[-] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Source of what??

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

"he supported the ethnic cleansing and genocide that Israel is committing in Palestine."

You can't make a blatantly inflammatory comment like that without being asked to source it.

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/11/zelensky-israel-hamas-war-gaza-visit-netanyahu

"Zelensky was one of the first leaders to call Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and express support for Israel.

"In the face of such a terrorist strike, everyone who values life must stand in solidarity ... Israel has the full right to defend itself against terror," Zelensky said in a statement shortly after the attack."

It's a bit of a leap to go from that to full on support for ethnic cleansing.

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[-] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Really? Zelenskyy supports Israel killing civilians?

[-] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

He doesn't? Did he change his position and I missed it?

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[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

If you take him at his word, then that implies that Putin and Iran teamed up together to start conflict in Gaza, purposely to reduce support for the Ukraines in their war.

Be really sad if it's true, as that means people are dying in a war in one part of the world to support a war in another part of the world, a war they have no part in.

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[-] rockandsock@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Don't focus on them...

What about meeeeeeeeeee?

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[-] Historical_General@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Has Zelensky ever condemned Israel's war crimes? As one occupied people to another?

[-] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a strategy with little to win and a lot to lose. He would be angering the nations giving him all his supplies and giving Russian bots fuel for the "Ukrainian nazi" story.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Is this how we turn against him now? Because he hasn't spoken out about this other conflict in a whole different region being fought for completely different reasons by unrelated people?

Please spare me this crap.

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[-] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It’s best that this conflict ends sooner rather than later. I’ve heard that Ukraine is outnumbered 3 to 1 and is sending injured soldiers and teenagers to the front lines. There’s no hope of them winning. Hindsight is 20/20 and it’s clear that the Ukrainians’ best option would’ve been to surrender in February 2022 and negotiate a peace agreement when they still had some bargaining power. Now they have none and this guy will go down in shame as Ukraine’s worst leader.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago

Shit the fuck up you worthless fuck. Russian piece of shit.

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[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 year ago

Get the fuck outta here.

[-] 520@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

Found the tankie

[-] Alivrah@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Get lost

[-] Uvine_Umbra@partizle.com 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

C'mon, you couldn't even TRY to go beyond the script?!?! 🤣🤣🤣

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