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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 84 points 2 years ago

He pretty clearly does.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 65 points 2 years ago

Raz Segal, associate professor of Holocaust and genocide studies, is clear: the world is witnessing a genocide and is standing by.

Textbook case of genocide

[-] Franzia 44 points 2 years ago

Joe biden has claimed this more or less himself, saying he's a Zionist at heart, though his actions have started to be a little bit more moderate on the issue of Palestinian genocide.

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 38 points 2 years ago
[-] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Israel: Hi, we're bombing hospitals, schools, ambulances, refugee camps, and areas we forced innocent people into. Help pay for it?

Biden: Oh hell yes.

[-] Tedesche@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Complete mischaracterization of the truth. Hey! Finally something conservatives and Lemmy users can bond over!

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 28 points 2 years ago

What exactly was wrong with that post? Is the US not providing military aid to Israel? Did ambulances and refugee camps not get bombed?

[-] Tedesche@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

The “oh hell yes” part. Biden has been calling for Israel to ease up and clearly isn’t supportive of their barbaric tactics, but can’t just cut all funding due to the fact that we have long supported Israel and they’re a key ally of ours in the region.

That apparently is a little too nuanced for folks here though.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

but can’t just cut all funding due to the fact that we have long supported Israel and they’re a key ally of ours in the region.

He can tell them to cut it out. Reagan did it.

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[-] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 2 years ago

If a kid is shooting up a school, and I keep providing him ammunition as he's doing it, am I just an innocent bystander? The US has the power to put conditions on the aid given. They do it for Ukraine.

[-] Tedesche@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I'm not going to draw you a diagram of this complex situation. If you can't be bothered to acknowledge its nuances and see that Biden's position is definitively not a "oh hell yes" to Israel's war crimes, no amount of explaining will change your mind.

[-] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What has Biden done to stop Israel? Yes, he's said he wants a ceasefire, but the US vetoing the UN resolution for a ceasefire, sending warships to the area to prevent anyone else from attacking Israel, sending Israel military aid, and continuing to insist Israel "has a right to defend itself" when the death toll is close to 10:1 Palestinians to Israelis all go in the "hell yes" column. I'm genuinely curious what actions you believe go in the "no" column. What has the US done to stop Israel?

Edit: downvoted with no reply. Thanks. That's exactly the answer I expected.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Israel receives billions of dollars every year from the US. Biden decided -- while Israel is actively committing genocide at a hastened pace -- that this isn't enough and actually Israel deserves far more billions of dollars at this particular moment in time. If that's not supporting genocide, then what is?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

"Yeah go ahead" is still supporting genocide.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 21 points 2 years ago

She's gone over the top many times before, including when she ridiculed Hillary Clinton before the 2016 election. It's understandable she'd be upset with what's going on. But she needs to act like a leader, and this really isn't it.

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Where you been boo?! You think that the only Palestinian in congress, speaking for the plight of the people in Gaza (regardless of your opinion) shows a lack of leadership? It sounds like you want her to be more of a follower? Please tell me, what should she say? Because obviously she has to say something?

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago

There's TinyPizza again. Like the neighborhood stalker.

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

I mean, we show up in the same places, but it's incidental. Does your neighborhood have stalkers where you're at? Like is that a thing? We talking voyeurs?

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

The conditioned projection is hard for them to suppress.

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You think @Rapidcreek might stalk his neighborhood? I dunno, he seems nice. I suppose you never know whose stalking about though...

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago

I mean she's not wrong. Bidens current stance of "support and ask questions later" is very much tantamount to supporting genocide. In the current situation the least you'd expect of the American president is to leave Israel to fend for itself, not send them aircraft carriers and military aid. For comparison in the 1980s Reagan (yes, Reagan) called the Israeli PM and basically ordered him to stop the bombing of West Beirut immediately. The bombing stopped in 20 minutes.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago

president is to leave Israel to fend for itself, not send them aircraft carriers and military aid.

Sure, Biden is wrong to stop a regional war. You want KIA numbers? That's certainly the way to get them.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

Well if they don't want KIA numbers they should stop genociding Palestinians. He offers way too much while demanding way too little.

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Ah right, because acting like a leader means falling in line.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago

Acting like a leader means to consider how your language might move others perhaps in ways you don't want them to move.

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

How does her language not do that? Is it not polite enough? If a genocide occurs, which the UN is constantly warning about, then does the US and Biden, who have offered their full support, not hold any culpability in that? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding?

[-] gatelike@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

isn't that what is happening? I think you just want her to have different views

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

She’s gone over the top many times before, including when she ridiculed Hillary Clinton before the 2016 election.

Or "why centrists are really mad at her."

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago
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