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submitted 10 months ago by MrKillmister@lemmy.ml to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

Government attributes decision to war crimes and human rights abuses being committed in Gaza

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[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 120 points 10 months ago

Basically every country, for the most part, wants to keep regular relations going with every other country. Doesn’t mean they agree with each other or really even engage in trade. They want to remain friendly and have open communications channels. Severing ties in this way means that there is no possible normal interactions between them again.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 123 points 10 months ago

Good. Only ~215 countries to go. No one should have normal interactions with Israel or anyone who supports Israel.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago

So that iran can just waltz in and do the same thing to Israel that Israel is doing to the Palestinians?

That's somehow a better outcome?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago

Here's an idea. We don't let Iran do it either.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

I feel like Palestine would have something to say if "Iran" just waltzed in (how?) and decided to setup a concentration camp for jews, since israel as a country would rightfully no longer exist.

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah they would say "stop that's our job"

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

Communication breakdowns and bargaining friction is how wars start.

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Being able to talk to a government is a far cry from supporting it or agreeing with it. Even if you dislike Israel, you should want there to be diplomatic relations - that is how other countries can exert influence and attempt to steer them off more radical courses, after all.

Case in point - if the West had no diplomacy with them, then the opening of the border crossing into Egypt would never have happened.

[-] lntl@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 10 months ago

Counter example: America doesn't negotiate with terrorists.

[-] hierophant_nihilant@reddthat.com 4 points 10 months ago

What's the next step, comrade? Sending those nasty israelis to concentration camps?

[-] axont@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

Do you think the only options are allow Israel to do a genocide or do a genocide on Israelis? Cutting off diplomacy with a settler colony client state is not genocide.

[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 25 points 10 months ago

There is probably a place between stupid and ridiculous that you could have aimed for. Amazingly, you managed to hit both of those.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

Amazing projection, considering those nasty Israelis are currently running the world's largest concentration camp and are working on converting it to a death camp.

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

The next step is stopping a genocide you unbelievable fucking freak.

Go make friends with an Arab person. Please, go see them as human for one goddamn second.

[-] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

very nice that your username is a shitty fusion of reek and latin meaning "revealer of nothing higher." This comment is dog shit.

[-] xor 11 points 10 months ago

Probably somewhere between not talking to them and genocide, I'd guess

[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

No, just you gulag

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What makes a 'country' is and itself very complicated. I do not believe Israel would want diplomatic relations with countries which sanction it.

ISIS was a 'state' at its peak and held control over territories but no one else had any formal diplomatic ties with them because everyone rightfully recognized them as an unlawful terrorist state. Is Israel really that different? Israel has shown blatant disregard for any peace plans whether its 1967 or Oslo. There are good reasons to not recognize Israel even though it holds territory.

Also, just because two countries have no formal diplomatic relations doesn't mean they can't have interactions. Look at USSR and Israel in this example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Ordzhonikidze_bus_hijacking

They were extradited to the Soviet Union and sentenced to prison terms, although at that time Israel and the Soviet Union had no extradition treaty as relations were still severed at the time. All hostages were released.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

"Then–Defense Minister of Israel Yitzhak Rabin criticized Soviet authorities for providing the hijackers with an aircraft and flying them to Israel in exchange for the release of the hostages."

Christ how evil can Israel get? "how dare you save an airplane full of children"

[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

I think the thing to recall in your example is that any treaties signed would formalize this process. In this case, they went through and made a request as a one-time thing that may never be repeated.

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 4 points 10 months ago

I agree. Having no diplomatic communications at all is a bad idea especially during times of crisis. Regardless of your feelings of the behaviour of a state, the phone line should always exist for governments to speak to each other. Whether we’re talking about Israel or Iran or Russia or North Korea or whatever. When your own citizens need help, or a crisis is ongoing, or a natural disaster occurs, or whatever, you want someone on the other end to pick up the phone.

[-] Sauvandu59@lemmy.my.id 74 points 10 months ago

Good for Bolivia 👍

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 49 points 10 months ago

Clearly this is the work of Hamas

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 26 points 10 months ago
[-] jinarched@lemm.ee 26 points 10 months ago

I'm 90% sure it was sarcasm.

[-] cmhickman358@thelemmy.club 20 points 10 months ago

No it was Hamas

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 18 points 10 months ago

My respond is 150% sarcasm, stay tune for more of "How can Hamas do this".

[-] nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 20 points 10 months ago
[-] Designate6361@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago

Take my upvote

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago
[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

It was, you won the news quiz! Double high fives for awareness and kindness to our fellow fediverse friend.

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

Damn! He Uno-Reversed us both!

[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

That's what an AI would say!

[-] caveman@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

If you add a /s to indicate sarcasm you will shine more :)

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago

They've learned what you get for playing to the "rules-based international order"

[-] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

The first of many hopefully

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 25 points 10 months ago

I wish Arab and Muslim countries with relations with the settler colony were as honourable as Bolivia

[-] caveman@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

How can it be that Muslim/Arab countries talk so much about Israel, yet it was South Africa who went to ICJ.

I believe even though the Arab/Muslim people care about Palestinian people, but Arab/Muslim politicians don't. They don't give a fuck, as Israel also don't give a fuck.

PS: Free Palestinians!

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

All I know is we need better leaders but the means to achieve that are mostly violent and the current governments are willing to be very violent to protect themselves

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Is this mostly symbolic? I wasn't aware these countries had anything to do with each other.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes and no. We live in a global world and generally all countries are seen as "equal" when it comes to international relations. So when a country specifically severs ties with another, it creates friction, normally the rest of the world can provide proxy relations, i.e. Qatar with Iran, or Turkey or Britain/Canada with Cuba or whatever. But if multiple countries stop recognizing another countries sovereignty, that can cause a lot of complications with say citizens of that country traveling and having relations.

So even if Bolivia doesn't deal with Israel directly, if there is an Israeli business conducting commerce within Bolivia, suddenly it becomes a lot more complicated if there is any kind of financial dispute, or some kind of international incident involving a country that Bolivia doesn't have relations with.

Basically the Israeli company is exposed to a lot more risk then they would be otherwise.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

Particularly not after Cast Lead in 2009 when Bolivia broke off relations. Israel hasn't really shown any reason for Bolivia to want to renew them since either.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago

They never did properly renew them after 2009 though, since the reasons for moving to minimal levels never went away, current events kinda just exemplifying why Bolivia never felt the desire to renew them.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago
[-] library_napper@monyet.cc 7 points 10 months ago

I'm afraid that most States are addicted to the cyber mercenary services from Israeli corporations (eg NSO Group), and they would be unlikely to issue sanctions against them because they're unwilling to loose tools like Pegasus.

Glad to hear that Bolivia and Colombia are on the right side of history but I doubt Argentina or most countries in Europe would join.

[-] Murvel@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Oh no, not Bolivia!

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