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submitted 10 months ago by MrKillmister@lemmy.ml to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

Government attributes decision to war crimes and human rights abuses being committed in Gaza

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[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 120 points 10 months ago

Basically every country, for the most part, wants to keep regular relations going with every other country. Doesn’t mean they agree with each other or really even engage in trade. They want to remain friendly and have open communications channels. Severing ties in this way means that there is no possible normal interactions between them again.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 123 points 10 months ago

Good. Only ~215 countries to go. No one should have normal interactions with Israel or anyone who supports Israel.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago

So that iran can just waltz in and do the same thing to Israel that Israel is doing to the Palestinians?

That's somehow a better outcome?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago

Here's an idea. We don't let Iran do it either.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

I feel like Palestine would have something to say if "Iran" just waltzed in (how?) and decided to setup a concentration camp for jews, since israel as a country would rightfully no longer exist.

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah they would say "stop that's our job"

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

Communication breakdowns and bargaining friction is how wars start.

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Being able to talk to a government is a far cry from supporting it or agreeing with it. Even if you dislike Israel, you should want there to be diplomatic relations - that is how other countries can exert influence and attempt to steer them off more radical courses, after all.

Case in point - if the West had no diplomacy with them, then the opening of the border crossing into Egypt would never have happened.

[-] lntl@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 10 months ago

Counter example: America doesn't negotiate with terrorists.

[-] hierophant_nihilant@reddthat.com 4 points 10 months ago

What's the next step, comrade? Sending those nasty israelis to concentration camps?

[-] axont@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

Do you think the only options are allow Israel to do a genocide or do a genocide on Israelis? Cutting off diplomacy with a settler colony client state is not genocide.

[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 25 points 10 months ago

There is probably a place between stupid and ridiculous that you could have aimed for. Amazingly, you managed to hit both of those.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

Amazing projection, considering those nasty Israelis are currently running the world's largest concentration camp and are working on converting it to a death camp.

[-] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

very nice that your username is a shitty fusion of reek and latin meaning "revealer of nothing higher." This comment is dog shit.

[-] xor 11 points 10 months ago

Probably somewhere between not talking to them and genocide, I'd guess

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

The next step is stopping a genocide you unbelievable fucking freak.

Go make friends with an Arab person. Please, go see them as human for one goddamn second.

[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago
[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What makes a 'country' is and itself very complicated. I do not believe Israel would want diplomatic relations with countries which sanction it.

ISIS was a 'state' at its peak and held control over territories but no one else had any formal diplomatic ties with them because everyone rightfully recognized them as an unlawful terrorist state. Is Israel really that different? Israel has shown blatant disregard for any peace plans whether its 1967 or Oslo. There are good reasons to not recognize Israel even though it holds territory.

Also, just because two countries have no formal diplomatic relations doesn't mean they can't have interactions. Look at USSR and Israel in this example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Ordzhonikidze_bus_hijacking

They were extradited to the Soviet Union and sentenced to prison terms, although at that time Israel and the Soviet Union had no extradition treaty as relations were still severed at the time. All hostages were released.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

"Then–Defense Minister of Israel Yitzhak Rabin criticized Soviet authorities for providing the hijackers with an aircraft and flying them to Israel in exchange for the release of the hostages."

Christ how evil can Israel get? "how dare you save an airplane full of children"

[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

I think the thing to recall in your example is that any treaties signed would formalize this process. In this case, they went through and made a request as a one-time thing that may never be repeated.

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 4 points 10 months ago

I agree. Having no diplomatic communications at all is a bad idea especially during times of crisis. Regardless of your feelings of the behaviour of a state, the phone line should always exist for governments to speak to each other. Whether we’re talking about Israel or Iran or Russia or North Korea or whatever. When your own citizens need help, or a crisis is ongoing, or a natural disaster occurs, or whatever, you want someone on the other end to pick up the phone.

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