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[-] corship@feddit.de 130 points 1 year ago

Well because here you can get treatment for your mental and physical illness without ending up in debt for the rest of your life

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

Accessing mental health services in the UK is a nightmare though.

[-] Lyricism6055@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Was in a deep depression. I have good Healthcare and tried to make an appt with a psychiatrist to take care of it.

6 month waiting list.... I thought US Healthcare was supposed to be better than this?

Still cost me $300 when I finally got in too since it's a specialist... Fml

[-] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

It's also a nightmare in much of the US if you are not rich or happen to have excellent insurance. Having to wait six months to receive a bill you can't afford isn't great.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Agreed. I'm just pointing out that it's not lack of access to mental health services that's preventing gun deaths in the UK, it's lack of access to guns.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hahahahaha! Mental illness treatment? In Canada? Got insurance to cover that or years to wait?

This part is no better than the USA (and surprise surprise, it's mostly privatized!)

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[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago

The UK and Canada have similar occurrences, but not in the vast number as the United States. We all understand the access to firearms is the problem.

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

Except for all the people trying to deflect blame from firearms by blaming mental illness. Without any will to actually address mental illness, of course.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

It's all about the access to firearms.

[-] Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

How do you effectively remove firearms from the equation at this point? Doesn’t the US have something like 120 guns per 100 residents? I don’t want to be the guy tasked with taking someone else’s gun away, that sounds incredibly dangerous. It also doesn’t seem fair to task someone else with that duty.

I won’t disagree that it’s a problem, but I don’t have a solution either.

[-] Vegasimov@reddthat.com 36 points 1 year ago

Every country that currently has gun control laws, at some point didn't have gun control laws and did have an armed population

They all managed to pull it off, the USA is unique in thinking this is an impossible task. And they haven't even tried

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[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

You can't, but in Canadian communities where firearms are more prevalent you see the same result. Mental illness and access to firearms is a huge red flag no matter where in the world you are.

[-] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Most places solve it with buy backs and slowly tightening the vice. So that people have both incentive and time to come to terms with it before it comes to a point where they would have to fight to keep them. The crazy gun nuts are actually more talk than action, despite how often they "say" they aren't.

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[-] Mo5560@feddit.de 67 points 1 year ago

The German police uses less bullets every year than the average policeman in the US.

Yes you read that right, the entire German police, all of them.

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[-] young_broccoli@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago

Everybody knows that sane, law abiding citizens become mass murderers the moment they hold a gun in their hands.

Yes, limiting access to the tools of murder will decrease murders caused by those same tools, but it does nothing to eliminate the murderous intentions of those people.
If we truly care about people's well being we should be doing both, reduce the risk of senseless shootings and massacres (gun control) and assist those with murderous intentions and other mental health issues who, believe it or not, are also victims of our sick culture and so-called societies.

[-] Hawke@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Nah, we don’t very much need to worry about the murderous intentions, as long as they’re not able to put them into action.

That’s the problem, guns let people turn those intentions into actions very easily.

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[-] Wilzax@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I would argue that gun control is more immediately actionable and greatly reduces the capability of the mentally disturbed to commit atrocities of such scale at such a common rate.

Long-term? Yes, access to mental health care and a culture that encourages receiving it will help immensely. But that takes time and will ultimately not save nearly as many people as gun control would. We need both, but gun control can happen today.

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[-] Jaded@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

Have you ever seen anyone arguing against mental health help? Only one of the two solutions you mentioned has a bunch of idiot fighting against it.

You also can't make mental health illegal overnight. People are born with mental health issues, it's not something they buy at the store or grab from their fathers closet.

Ban guns, ban guns now. Fuck gun culture and fuck all gun owners (even the responsible ones)

I understand your point, but everytime I see someone pointing at mental issues, it just seems to be like they will point at anything except the guns. We can thoroughly take care of the more complicated part of the problem once the easy part has been solved and they are killing childrens with knives instead of bullets.

Have you ever seen anyone arguing against mental health help? Only one of the two solutions you mentioned has a bunch of idiot fighting against it.

No, the same group of people fights against BOTH the solutions.

Reagan is responsible for gutting our mental health infrastructure, and Republicans vote against increasing funding consistently.

They won't support restrictions on gun ownership because they say the problem is mental health, but they won't support spending on mental health either. (Most likely because they seem to oppose anything that would actually help people who suffer.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980

https://sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html

This last one is a ddg search - you can just pick which article you want to read about Republicans voting against mental health funding.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=republicans+vote+against+mental+health+funding

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[-] kleenbhole@lemy.lol 37 points 1 year ago

Isn't it interesting that tons of people own guns in America and DON'T shoot people? Or the fact that we had crazy people and assault weapons previously without mass shootings.

Looking at these issues as if they're either-or is ridiculous. Of course you're going to need a multivariate approach. You're not going to get rid of the guns, and you're not going to get rid of crazy people. We need to address gun laws, mental health laws, and societal collapse overall. There's no singular approach that will fix everything.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

ah the pro-gun weirdo lemmings have come out once again.

[-] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

If you go far enough left you get your gun rights back

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

ah the fucking horsesh~~oe~~it theory.

no you don't, the only purpose of guns is to kill someone, that is not very respectful of their bodily autonomy, is it?

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[-] erasebegin@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

well... it is a mental health problem. Plus culture. Switzerland has guns and just as many people with mental health problems as the rest of the 'developed' world, but almost 0 shootings.

[-] Polar@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

Canada, too. We have a FUCK ton of guns.

We just can't open carry them (or own handguns), so it's not in our pockets next to our phone. When it's at home locked in your hunting case, it's off your mind, and you don't think about pulling it out when people piss you off.

Because of this, we also don't have people feeling the need to buy guns to defend themselves against other people with guns in their pockets next to their phone.

[-] bi_tux@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

On the other hand, guns don't kill a lot of people in most european countries (even the ones with very little gun control)

[-] dreugeworst@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

I don't think any European country comes close to the level of lack of gun control in the US though

[-] bi_tux@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I mean sure, the US has almost no gun control, but in austria for example you don't even need a permit for a lot of lethal weapons.

I think it's really a culture problem, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't regulate guns a bit

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[-] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 year ago

Call it a mental health problem, a societal health problem, whatever. Unless we accept that wanting to slaughter the people around you is an unfixable natural quirk of some people's human experience, then this cannot be purely a gun control issue.

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[-] jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social 22 points 1 year ago

Oh, cool - we're pretending there are no other differences between the countries listed, e.g. healthcare, social safety nets, etc. that may or may not have been shown to be an unavoidable majority of the underlying issues.

Gotta enjoy the meme circlejerk though, eh?

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

... or anywhere else, except the USA.

[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

It can be surprisingly difficult to get a therapist in the US if you don't have insurance. Honestly, I found the process remarkably frustrating even with insurance.

I don't know what it's like in the other countries listed, but they all have much better healthcare systems than the US, so I imagine it's much easier.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Well there is another thing they all have in common...

They're all dirty commies! At least that's what Fox News told me.

[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Running statistical analysis on the data now. Preliminary results suggest video games as the main causal effect.

[-] Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Are you sure it’s not Dungeons and Dragons and that heavy metal music?

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