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Look, gun politics aside, there is a legitimate reason to have more than one hunting rifle.
30-06 is great for hunting deer, but would be an extremely poor choice for hunting squirrels and raccoons, considering that there would be very little edible material left.
You realize that's like trying to tell someone to pick up their newly purchased big ticket item from the store using a bicycle, right?
I get you're trying to limit the use of guns by limiting the availability of guns and their ammo, but where you drew the line is too extrene/limiting.
At that point you might as well just be honest about it and try to make guns illegal.
Just repeating myself at this point, but ...
And for the record, I am pro gun control, but what you're advocating is too extreme to be practical and workable.
Don't confuse understanding for tolerance.
Ahhh... Racism it is, then.
I don't think you mean it to be, but everything you're saying is total bollocks.
https://prateekdasgupta1.medium.com/stop-comparing-american-gun-culture-with-switzerland-if-you-are-not-willing-to-do-what-the-swiss-do-e3e765189d15
Particularly the part about guns per capita
The Swiss aren't perfect, mind. They didn't let women vote until the 70s ffs. My point being that these kinds of comparisons simply don't work. The US has a unique problem. But the problem is still solvable through gun control, because gun control can pervade culture, as demonstrated by many other countries.
Dog there is 1.5 guns per american
Those rifles are transferred to civilian ownership once they are discharged from the military.
Happy to see a source that says otherwise but it's illogical that because you previously served your gun is somehow "still in the military". Especially given that virtually anyone is free to own a gun once they've discharged.
So most countries have 70% less guns, but 100% less shootings.
Math still doesn't math.
For a non-linear graph of gun deaths x guns, it absolutely does.
What I said isn't a myth though. They weren't allowed to vote until the 70s. All suffrage movements start and end somewhere and there's ended later than most in Europe. Over 50% of men in Switzerland voted against women voting just ten years prior to them getting it.
Which lends exactly to my point: if we're to pick something to judge Switzerland by, it's something like that. Not misinformation about guns per capita.
This isn't a myth and saying "it's one canton" doesn't absolve the people who voted overwhelmingly against women being able to vote.
The result is right here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959_Swiss_referendums#:~:text=The%20first%20was%20held%20on,approved%20by%2062%25%20of%20voters.
I just can't figure out for the life of me why you want to defend this or keep calling it a myth.
I didn't say anything about them being "last". You make a lot of stuff up for someone who cares about facts.
I didn't say they had anything to do with each other, I specifically used it as an example of where Swiss policy differs from international consensus, much as American policy on gun control does from the rest of the world.
I accept your agreement on the other parts.
How likely do you believe it is to bring about the constitutional amendment necessary to ban firearms? To gain support of 2/3s the states in addition to a 2/3 majority in Congress?
That aside, you could argue symptoms could be addressed through such extremes if it were possible to do so, but you couldn't argue such measures address underlying issues - solve problems.
Yeah I'm not arguing for a ban, not even for the reasons of political support; it's simply unworkable due to the "genie being out the bottle".
Ah, I see we're using conservative tactics in making an "other" group demonize and alienate.
In the sense that culture is a complete lack of social safety nets, affordable and accessible healthcare and community support resources, broken ERPO laws, etc., sure.
You could argue rampant media oversensationalism of such violence glorifies it and further incentivizes it to those seeking to commit such a gruesome suicide, but that's less culture and more partisan wedge-driving and profiteering off ad revenue.
How do you believe we view firearms? I'm interested in hearing how we can do whatever the heck [we] want.
It's fortunate, then, that the vast majority of firearm owners are responsible.
Aren't ammo, like, super regulated in Switzerland though ?