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Every country that currently has gun control laws, at some point didn't have gun control laws and did have an armed population
They all managed to pull it off, the USA is unique in thinking this is an impossible task. And they haven't even tried
Many of those countries had only an armed aristocracy, and they made those laws to keep firearms out of everyone's hands before there were hundreds of millions of armed people.
Interestingly enough, you can still purchase rifles and shotguns in the UK… you can even purchase an AR-15 or a Beretta ARX 160 legally in the UK so long as it’s chambered for .22LR and approved by the police. You just have to tell them it’s for a shooting club; not self defense.
When the UK passed their laws, it was more targeting handguns.
One of the biggest problems around guns in America is the culture. Dickbags seem to want to associate manhood with the usage of this one specific type of tool.
Yet you have provided no possible options as to take action. Nice work on the reply. 👍
To provide actual discussion:
Increase rigor for screening on all firearm purchases
Removal of any and all "gun shop loopholes"
Voluntary, no questions asked, buybacks on any firearm
Two of these make it harder for new guns to enter the equation, while not making it impossible for a reasonable adult to get one, and the final drastically lowers the number of guns in circulation.
That's already a thing for the most part. You can walk into any gun/pawn shop and sell your gun there and they'll be happy to take it off your hands AND pay 5x more than a gun buyback program from the state.
That was never a thing. The "loop hole" was selling private party since no individual person has access to the NICS.
The reason you're going to get more for a gun at a pawn shop or gun shop is because they're going to resell them. The idea with a government initiative would be to decommission the guns.
It's my understanding that the term "gun show loophole" is used is because it was/is a common enough practice to meet at gun shows and sell as private sellers, thus bypassing the requirements for bg checks.
I also realized now that I typed gun shop instead of gun show, so sorry if that caused confusion, I'm going to blame autocorrect.
Now you had all of that energy and resource that went into making the gun + the energy required to destroy it vs letting someone who actually wants it, and it mentally OK using. And what if it's a historically significant firearm? Trying to destroy guns is not going to get firearms owners on your side.
Opening up NICS so the average Joe selling private party can double check the person they're buying it from would be a huge step forward. That's a win win for both sides.
Worked just fine in Australia.
https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
I don't think Australia ever had "the right to bear arms" which is why that won't fly well.
Plus Australia is an island. It's a lot easier for that to work when your nearest neighbor is 100 miles away by boat
Should have stopped there. Better to have someone think you a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ok, Australia ever had “the right to bear arms” which is why that won’t fly well.
Is that better for mr condescending? Do you have an actual response or are you just interesting in insults?
"'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens"
I'll take that as a no.
We've Tried Nothing and We're All Out of Ideas!
That's a viable start, and both of your suggestions I am in favor of, but it will not remove the millions of firearms that are already in the hands of 1/3 of the U.S. population. It would also not prevent someone from 3D printing a ghost gun. Considering that some gun owners are also handloading / reloading their own ammo at home, you would effectively need to ban the sale of all smokeless powder as well. However, even in doing that, it would not take back the millions and millions of rounds that people already have.
Right. And these are all valid concerns, but they exist everywhere. The end of the day, you'll actually never remove firearms from the equation, and I'd argue you really shouldn't. The idea is to limit the access to either people who are damned and determined (3d printers, home gunsmiths and reloaders, etc) and those who are somewhat qualified.
Agreed.
It's not perfect therefore we shouldn't do anything
The fact that real kinder eggs are illegal because of safety concerns and guns are not is mindblowing.
It is easier to get a gun in the states than it is to get a kinder egg with a little toy in it.
Try how? Go on, what can I do right now today to start fixing the problem? See if you can answer without an insult.
Nah.
I've yet to see a solution come to the table. That's my point. There certainly are plenty of people making claims that it needs to be done, but no one to provide the "how."
This part doesn't work with your "solution." Do you expect the police to enter people's homes and take their guns?
Fines, court dates and warrants do not take firearms out of the hands of people that would rather die than give them up. You'd eventually need SWAT tasks force level initiatives to go and kill resistors eventually; I find that highly unethical.
And there it is...? Would you have preferred I started off with that statement in the future?
The point is that you cannot effectively remove guns in the US, without substantially increasing loss of life, and that's why it doesn't happen.
The conclusions I came to are as follows:
Minus points for name calling and hypocrisy.
The name calling was to one person; and in response to name calling.
Care to point out the hypocrisy?
Calling him out for name calling then nar calling.
Sorry, I tend to speak to people on the level they speak to me.
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