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[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 134 points 10 months ago

Quite possibly the most astute thing I’ve seen on 4chan.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 98 points 10 months ago

It's just a thousand monkeys at typewriters in there.

Occasionally you get a work of Shakespeare in all the gibberish.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Green texts that reach the outside are usually pretty astute, political comment, alternative humor or sharp social commentary. See !4chan@lemmy.world

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[-] darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml 118 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Also Republicans: "this violence is the result of us not beiing Christian enough as a nation"

Also also Republicans: saying the above while being from a state in the union that's both one of the most Christian and most violent in the nation.

[-] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

It's quite the coincidence, many other highly religious countries tend to be extremely violent.

[-] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 20 points 10 months ago

Ah but you see, statisticians are part of the conspiracy. Anyone with an education who can actually read and interpret trends is just in on it! I haven't personally experienced a mass shooting, therefore my state is the safest in the nation!

Either that or we simply aren't Christian enough to ban all other religions yet and God tests his most faithful, yadda yadda

God bless America everyone!

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[-] Comfortably_Wet@lemmy.world 92 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In Germany we have on average more privately owned guns than most US states. Still... we had just TWO mass shooting in 20 years.

Why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08GbT5ZEs08

In short: You have to qualify to own a gun. Assholes don't get guns. And by fullfilling the laws to own a gun you actually earn respect in your community.


I am member of a German gun club where the local population, the regional police and a couple of NATO soldiers train. It took me nearly one year before I even was allowed to touch a loaded gun, all through my 14th year I was basically just taught how to clean and repair my rifle, how to handle it, how to NOT use it, only then how to use it. And after ten months I was finally given a single bullet.

I am now 30. Nowadays my family owns and shares a Sig Sauer 200, locked inside the gun club. Everyone except my Mum shots around 25 bullets per month, once a year the whole gun club repeats basic training which includes mental health checks.

And after basic training we have special events. For example six years ago a local NATO garrison was massively downsized and so they offered us to use up their overaged surplus ammunition. I got to shot pretty much anything from 9mm to 7,62mm for basically free - we collected money for the victims of a local house fire so I put €50 into the collection.

Did I ever shot a gun outside the gun club?

Actually: Yes. When I was in the US I joined my Uncle on duck hunt. He was like "ok, hold the big rifle while I show you how to shot a duck using 12gd bird shot." - he misses, I aim and shot the duck mid-air with a .308. I didn't know ducks could explode, but yes, they can. I paid with a badly aching shoulder, I wasn't used to those powerful cadridges any more. He looked angry at me and grumbled the plan was to eat the duck not turn them into fine mist. The other three ducks he left for me to shot and wondered where I had learned to operate a gun like that.

When I told him a US lieutenant taught me to operate exaclty the same rifle in my gun club he was like "WTF?". I might mention the lieutenant immediatelly settled down in my town after his duty was over because he liked Bavaria so much and wanted his kids to grow up in a less crazy nation.

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 10 months ago

I appreciate your perspective on this. What you describe is about more than just 'assholes don't get guns', although that is a crucial aspect. The way your family owns just 'a' gun, trained for a long while before shooting, respect for following gun laws. This is the opposite of the usual experience around guns in the US. We as a culture in the US are careless and wanton with guns in general from what I've seen.

I was shown how to use a gun when I was 6 years old, my parents were responsible though so it was only an air pistol, but heavy duty, not airsoft. We had a shotgun, 9mm pistol and a .22 rifle in the house never locked up, didn't even have a safe to lock them if my dad wanted to, and the shotgun was often stored loaded. When people here get together to shoot, it's not odd to hand a loaded gun to someone that has never been to a range or even seen one fired before. Plenty of people are much safer than this, but I would guess my experience is the more common from what I've seen.

From what I can tell, most gun safety training in the US is a single sentence: Always treat it like it's loaded, and keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Absolute bullshit, nobody is shooting a duck mid-air with a rifle. Your story is fake and lame.

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[-] ericatty@infosec.pub 17 points 10 months ago

What is the penalty if you are caught with a gun you are not qualified to have?

[-] davet@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 10 months ago

Prison sentence up to 5 years.

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[-] Retrograde@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Thanks for the interesting read. Really goes to show how mad we are in the US for handing out guns like candy

[-] SHOW_ME_YOUR_ASSHOLE@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago

You shot a 308 round into the air? Isn't that unsafe? If you missed the bullet could go anywhere.

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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 51 points 10 months ago

While we should have better access to mental (and physical) health care, that's probably not going to fix the too frequent "Someone knocked on my door so i shot them" murders that happen too often.

It also won't solve the "and then the police shot him" murders.

There are a lot of things wrong with the US and its dominant culture. I'd say most of the blame and the blood is on conservatives. Which makes a kind of sense - if you have a shitty system and you are fighting to keep it as is, you're probably a shitty person with shitty takes making the world worse.

If someone just thanos snapped away the conservatives, or at least the authoritarian subset of them, many problems would vanish overnight.

[-] Shadywack@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Healthcare is unobtainable for most, housing is now a pipe dream for most, prosperity falling apart, working until you die. "We need to incarcerate all the drug addicts and kill the crazy people".

If only the mass shooters would just target the rich instead of the general public, but I agree with you. A Thanos snap on a good chunk of the conservatives would fix a ton of shit.

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[-] Ser_Salty@feddit.de 14 points 10 months ago

The "funny" thing about the police shooting people for having guns is that it essentially means Americans don't actually have the right to own/carry guns. They only have the right to buy them.

[-] VinnieFarsheds@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Even if you don't have a gun it's a problem, if you are are stopped by police for a random check^1. You are asked for your license and registration papers. You move your hand 1 cm to get it, cop suddenly realizes you could theoretically have a gun, then decides to shoot you first because self defense.

The possibility that literally everyone can have a firearm makes living there so much more dangerous compared to not having the option of shooting back whenever it would be needed for actual self defense.

^1 probability for random police checks has an inverse proportionality to the whiteness of one's skin color.

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[-] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 50 points 10 months ago

Wow, it's like the third recent green text where anon is talking about real world stuff in a grown-up way.

So anon turned out all right in the end?!

[-] 1847953620@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago
[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 41 points 10 months ago

We're not going to stop them. They are an emergent phenomenon of American society. So many things would have to change that this country would be unrecognizable. Which might be awesome... but it's not going to happen anytime soon.

[-] DrQuickbeam@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and Norway all had a culture of gun ownership, went through a mass shooting, put severe restrictions on gun ownership, and had dramatic drops in gun violence. All those other countries have similar mental illness rates and other things people blame mass shootings on.

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[-] diskmaster23@lemmy.one 14 points 10 months ago

Genocide is part of our culture

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago

Yup, sure is. The USA wouldn't exist without it.

[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 22 points 10 months ago

PSA: about 2/3 mass shootings are domestic violence related. If you want to fix mass shootings, start at fixing the household.

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-021-00330-0

[-] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 47 points 10 months ago

You can ABSOLUTELY make a good point about mass shootings being the result of mental health disorders or domestic violence, and we should ABSOLUTELY be doing what we can as a society to fix those problems... but we can't ignore the 100% common denominator in literally every mass shooting... which is guns.

[-] echo64@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago

The rest of the world has deep, deep family problems, too. Yet doesn't have these problems.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

And a lot of it has guns too.

The biggest outlier with guns in America is the politicization and them.

Look at Scandinavia, where gun ownership is incredibly high and many firearm laws less-strict than in the US: It's a region of the world that has most of its shit figured out, and having guns there isn't a big deal because the rate of violence is so low.

Here in the US, we've got a broken social system, essentially zero mental health care for those who really need it, easy access to firearms, and hyper-politicization around firearms that pushes mentally-unstable people towards gun ownership.

When the unstable conspiracy-theory nutjobs hear liberals saying that gun ownership is bad they're predictably start stocking up on guns and ammo - specifically the black guns the political left keeps trying to ban. And then they snap.

That's how the guns that make up about 1% of overall firearm deaths started being used much more frequently in mass shootings.

We do need an honest national conversation about guns and their availability, but neither side of the political aisle is willing to really, truly be honest in their policies towards firearms. So we aren't able to have that conversation and what we end up with is the worst of all outcomes.

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[-] heavy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago

I think this is a good problem to solve, however in tandem with other problems enabling access to weapons and subsequent deaths of many innocent people.

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[-] TedKaczynski@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

When is enough going to be enough?

The 2nd Amendment was a mistake. It’s time to repeal it.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

On the bright side, at thanks to trans people, people finally give a shit about women's sports. For incredibly bigoted and superficial reasons but hey the wnbc will take it.

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[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Republicans don’t deserve the lives they live.

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[-] Yinchie@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Simple way to stop mass shootings is to ban guns like anywhere else on the world.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

We're actually averaging almost 2 per day this year so far.

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[-] clot27@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago

The gun laws in US are joke, why even allow people to have guns? what is police for?

[-] DontJumpOffBoats@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

You obviously haven't met our cops.

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[-] rchive@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

When seconds count, police are minutes away.

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[-] grayman@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Well according to the Supreme Court, police have no duty to protect nor serve the public. Literally, they can watch you get murdered, watch the murderer get away, and still be 100% fine.

Police protect the govt. Period. Nothing else.

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[-] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 15 points 10 months ago

Republicans know multiple causes and contributions that lead to mass shootings, but none of them will support doing anything to address those causes because muh socialism.

[-] Slinky5737@infosec.pub 12 points 10 months ago

Just dropping in to ask if anyone has that image. I need it to win several arguments I'm currently having on the internet.

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[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 12 points 10 months ago

Yes because our government is only equipped to deal with 1 issue at a time...

[-] HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

I think saying they can deal with even one issue is pretty generous.

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[-] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 10 months ago

What do these two issues have to do with each other? I support gun control as well as fair sex-based separation in sports.

[-] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 14 points 10 months ago

They're related thanks to party politics. The party that talks about trans people in sports also rails against gun control.

Also, no one automatically knows what you mean when you say fair. Because of the nature of the debate, you don't deserve the benefit of the doubt where people assume that when you say "fair" you only mean "trans women who have experienced male puberty need to undergo hormone therapy before being allowed to compete in women's sports." And even the people who politically advocate for that invariably wind up also supporting a ban on puberty blockers, or trans men in men's sports, or never allowing trans women to compete no matter how thoroughly physically transitioned they are, or whatever other nonsense.

Bans are just not something that needs to be legislated. Sports organizations can self police in that regard. If anything, we need legislation to ensure trans people CAN compete in the gender category they identify as, with the sole exception of trans women who haven't yet been able to medically transition.

Take chess, for example. FIDE just passed an insane set of rules around when trans women can compete in women's tournaments, and how trans men have to give up any titles they earned while they were still presenting as female, but the gender divisions in chess are completely unrelated to inherent ability. The lack of women in chess is a cultural issue, like in STEM fields, not related to physical ability at all, and the women's division ostensibly exists as an attempt to draw women to the game. What FIDE is doing is purely anti-trans, and there should be legislation keeping them from implementing that. I've no idea how that would work internationally, but the point is trans people need protection, not bans.

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