Every time
Every single time
Every time, when the media posts pictures and names of murderers, they help create more copy cats.
I feel like this was an exception to the rule, since he was still at large for a while and it was imperative to the public safety that people knew who he was and what he looked like.
That said, yes, the media does need to pull back on publishing details about the killers in these situations.
At the time, maybe, but he's dead, no reason to keep parading the name and picture around anymore.
Fair
🤔 uhh ... Should I remove his name from the title of the post?
Therefore we shall have the state enact limits on speech to help suppress it
And nothing of value was lost.
I mean, sure would have been nice to have a living suspect for the criminologists or psychologists.
I bet we can figure out his motives and mental state through good ol' fashioned detective work. I'll take the first step for them, and tell them to look at his social media history. Freud would shit himself if he were alive today and could scroll a facebook feed.
We’ve learnt all we can from these psychopaths, to be honest.
I’m just angry he got off so easy. He should have had to face what he did.
I disagree. More data points are useful to show the future how batshit insane our policy choices are.
Don’t we already have ample data to support that? Like, what could we learn that would make a difference? I’m not being facetious, I’m honestly asking.
in an ideal world, what would move the needle?
Data is data. A guy being interviewed about how he came to his plan, the setbacks he had, what his goals were, etc.
Like, are the victims just dumb luck because he originally intended a different plan that could have had higher casualties?
A deader body is also easier to sweep under the rug, can’t happen again cause we caught him, etc etc. No worries about further court dates, or him talking about his love for guns…
Sure, I get that. My career was like 80% data.
You also have to know when to stop wasting time collecting data and start spending that energy on solutions, because the data becomes redundant.
We’ve got soooooo much data on what motivates people; we’ve got excruciatingly intricate data on exactly how and why they do these things. We know which solutions are likely to work and which definitely don’t.
We need to stop endlessly analysing and start fixing this shit. We know what’s broken, so let’s stop talking about what and why and how, and start implementing solutions, like now.
The problem is there’s little public will to fix things – little ability to see these as preventable tragedies – and too much looking and hoping and denying.
Don’t worry though – there are another couple of hundred people waking up today who will be dead next month and over whose corpses we can continue this debate. I really hope nobody reading this comment will be one of them.
(Sorry for the snark; I’m beyond exhausted with this.)
What policy choices? He should have had his weapons confiscated after his recent issues under Maine's yellow flag laws, but the police did nothing once again.
You answered it yourself. Police policy.
We’ve learnt all we can from these psychopaths, to be honest.
What makes you believe this?
I’m very interested in abnormal psychology and have read many studies, watched tons of hours of police interviews, read loads of psychiatric notes and court transcripts, prisoners’ diaries, etc – it’s all out there and freely available if you’re interested.
This issue is decades old. There’s a ridiculous amount of information available. I developed morbid curiosity after Columbine, and have seen and read things I probably shouldn’t have for my own mental health, but I feel it’s important to know things like this.
It’s not my belief – just look at the raw data and what psychologists say. We don’t know everything, obviously, but we know quite enough.
e: I’m not talking about what psychologists can learn, I’m talking about us, the public.
It’s not my belief – just look at the raw data and what psychologists say. We don’t know everything, obviously, but we know quite enough.
What psychologists say that we know enough? I've never heard this claimed by a professional in the field before.
e: I’m not talking about what psychologists can learn, I’m talking about us, the public.
It's not up to the public to learn the intricacies of psychopathy. You and I aren't the ones who need or can make use of that data.
It looks like I worded my comment poorly.
I meant we, as in regular people, not psychologists or the FBI, or other professionals.
We already know more than enough to enact laws and policies to fix this shit. We don’t need more data. These aren’t lone wolves, and they haven’t been for ages. They have very similar beliefs. We know the who, what, and why they do these things, and we have for a long time.
We don’t need to ponder these things anymore.
It really disappoints me to see people say this when the dude clearly had mental issues, potentiated by the Army. It clearly says that the dude was hearing voices and wanted to shoot up a military base and everyone was like " 🤷♂️ let's throw him in a psych ward for two weeks, that will fix the issue".
Dude didn't get the help he needed, that was someone's child too....
He got all the help anyone could give him. We simply can't cure "I'm hearing voices and want to kill people" in a couple of weeks.
What we can do is ensure that it's not cheaper, faster and easier to go on a killing spree instead of recovering.
But that might impact the profits of the gun lobby, so they insist we instead cure every single person of every single mental health problem before they kill people with their legal guns.
It's possible for both things to be valid. I'm not American so the whole owning guns thing is weird to me anyway but surely the bare minimum is banning weapons that are expressly made for killing humans, like hand guns and assault weapons.
But alongside that, it's a fact that this guy did not get the help he needed, certainly not all the help anyone could give him. Two weeks on a ward is nowhere near enough time to treat someone in acute psychosis.
So were the 18 people that fucking died. I get it, all the bleeding hearts need to help every wounded animal they find, but for fucks sake, how many chances do we give murderers and rapists? How many people have to die so that one can get the help they need. As a world, as a species, we have to learn when it is OK to let the wounded animal die. Not every choice has a perfect answer, but letting this asshat off himself instead of hoping that we can fix him and he won't do it again is the better answer. There is now a 100% chance that he won't kill anyone, and that's a much better chance than we'd have if we sent him off to a shrink and locked him up in a broken prison system.
I think you misunderstood @pete_the_cat 's point. They weren't suggesting retroactive treatment had he been caught, they were suggesting that if he'd been properly treated he might never have committed the crimes he did.
You know how other countries have these weird things in place to get people treated before they go on killing sprees. How about that shit?
Just saying "Oh good, that asshole is dead, let's move on" is the American Way.
Quit naming them in the titles! Just let their legacy evaporate.
There's definitely a lot of truth to what you're saying, but it seems like this overall effort is an attempt to shift attention away from gun control and focus on individual culpability.
These maga-cult psychos should kill themselves first and go on the killing spree second. Ban guns.
Until next time. Stay safe out there guys.
glad to hear that he's not at large - but it's unfortunate he wont be forced to stand trial and brought to justice for his crimes.
I’m all for archive links and all, but what the fuck is this:
What a coward... I regret not being able to give him his day in court and hold him in a concrete box for the rest of his long life.
This is a bad take, the dude was fucked in the head from the war and other stuff. It's not necessarily his fault, he didn't get the help he needed.
When something like this happens people always blame the guns or the guy, but this guy clearly had issues that everyone was like 🤷♂️. He then goes out and kills 18 people then himself, and people demonize him as if there were no other warnings. He was fucked from the beginning.
This isn't someone that was like "I wanna kill all gays/muslims/Democrats/etc..." he was just fucked in the head.
Edit: it seems the Reddit downvoting hive mind has followed us here. I wrote pretty much the exact same comment elsewhere in here and it gets 20 up votes, yet this has is at -14
No pity for fucking murderers. I'm fucked in the head and I know plenty of people with mental illness, none of us have murdered anyone.
CBS News had also learned that investigators had located the suspect's cellphone and were trying to crack it and pore over his online activity,
interesting spelling
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