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Star Citizen has a disastrously laggy stream with horrendous vibes, which isn't a great look when you're past $1 billion in funding (www.pcgamer.com)

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[-] Zizzy 82 points 6 days ago

Everytime i see star citizen it frustrates me because the comments are 90% dumb. It has predatory monetization, it has been in development hell, it has been a great disappointment to many people.

Its not a scam. You can pay money and log into the game right now and play. Theyve done some technically very impressive stuff (that doesnt help the game at all, potentially hurts it, definitely contributes to the devlopment hell), and people do have fun. There is an actual game with mechanics. I would argue those mechanics arent fleshed out or fun enough and dont work well, but thats subjective.

I paid like $20 very early on knowing backing things is a risk. It didnt really pay off for what i wanted, but i still had some fun flying ships around, racing them and exploring. I dont recommend it, its ran terribly and performance is bad for obvious reasons, etc. but its still not a scam or equivalent to slop.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 40 points 6 days ago

Just because you're okay with it doesn't make it not a scam.
False advertising is a scam.
SC is a scam.

[-] Zizzy 22 points 6 days ago

A game being shitty isnt false advertising. This is such a loose way to define scams that it actually hurts calling real scams out

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 18 points 6 days ago

I agree on both points but there's a difference between Halo 4 being genuinely ass (shitty) and No Man's Sky releasing on false promises and outright lies (false advertising).
One of these i consider a genuine scam (upon release, anyway).

Admittedly, I'm not the authority on SC; where would you place it on the scale? Because from what ive heard there were/are lots of empty promises.

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[-] architect@thelemmy.club 11 points 5 days ago

No. No you don’t have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Scam citizen has over ten years of history. If you knew it you would not hesitate to call it a scam! They lied to the original Kickstarter investors right out the gate and that was the first scam of many scams!

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago

What are you doing here? Like... What's your goal? Why are your defending this shit ass "game" studio?

[-] CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 32 points 6 days ago

It's less a game and more a sim. They'll not fix broken box missions, but spend weeks on fart mechanics. Either they are incompetent or intentionally stalling. I personally believe the latter.

They don't intend to leave alpha because they're making money from ship sales. It's pretty, but it's not fun when you run, and boom, you dead. 45 mins to get back there.

Even scams have valid products behind them.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 days ago

No, it's a scam. Hard disagree.

[-] architect@thelemmy.club 12 points 5 days ago

It’s a scam like a Ponzi scheme is a scam. Nothing they have promised has been delivered in over ten years. They have lied countless times to get more backer money. The original concept for the Kickstarter was tossed out long ago, those people definitely got scammed! They were told too bad the scope changed after the kickstarter! It is a fucking scam and I’ll die on that hill.

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[-] dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 19 points 6 days ago

I wouldn't call it a scam either. Just another shitty game farming whales. They actually refunded me so there's that. I wasted an hour of my life on that thing.

It's a shame because you can see the potential, there's nothing else quite like it. You can wake up in your apartment, walk around the city/base you're in, take a train to the spaceport, find your hangar, get in your ship, start your ship, take off and go somewhere. It has potential to be incredibly immersive but it's beyond clear the devs don't care about making it into a good game.

The controls are totally bizarre, unintuitive, and poorly designed. Everything you do is bugged in some way. The performance is ass. Terrible and confusing HUD design. The game is a complete chore to play. Got my refund and I'll never even consider going back.

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[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 9 points 5 days ago

Definition of scam: to deceive and defraud (someone)

I dunno man. They made a ton of promises in the past decade. Wasn't there supposed to be a first person shooter?

That's pretty deceiving.

[-] Zizzy 5 points 5 days ago

They have that. There is first person shooting. Theres an entire separate game mode for it ontop of it being in the world. That was like one of the very first things they added. And one of the first dumb huge time consuming things they did was make first person and third person visuals line up completely

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 7 points 5 days ago

Squadron 42 is what they are talking about. And its not out yet. https://starcitizen.tools/Squadron_42

Please keep in mind that 42 was to be the quick thing that was to tie people over until star citizen was further along. It was announced 13 years ago.

[-] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 days ago

Correct, it is a development nightmare yes, it is beyond ridiculously delayed, it is overhyped, it is overpriced, it is predatory, it is stupid in countless ways, but a scam is intentionally fraudulent and anyone making that claim of Star Citizen is being disingenuous. It is a game being actively developed by idiotic, toxic, malignant narcissists powered largely by self-absorbed vanity, but that's not the same thing as a scam perpetrated by fraudsters. They're both very, very bad, but they're also very, very much not the same thing and we should stop confusing such basic concepts with each other.

[-] WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social 15 points 6 days ago

Bernie Madoff and Sam Bankman-Fried didn't start their companies with the intention to defraud their customers. But they quickly found themselves in too deep and the only thing they could do was ask for money to keep it afloat as long as they could. The only difference between those ventures and Star Citizen is that Star Citizen hasn't collapsed under its own weight yet.

[-] architect@thelemmy.club 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yes scam citizen is intentionally fraudulent. It’s a scam.

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[-] MyOpinion@lemmy.today 91 points 6 days ago

Star Citizen is the biggest scam in gaming.

[-] Skipcast@lemmy.world 57 points 6 days ago

Is a heavily mismanaged game. Calling it a scam would be a misuse of the word.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 50 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You only have to visit the secondary market for SC in-game merch to find the scammy bits. The funny this isn't that this game is fully of overpriced, stupid bullshit. It's that six developers who fell out the back of the Wing Commander franchise found a way to bilk people for billions of dollars by creating the thing Mark Zuckerberg has been losing 10x as much on for just as long.

Digital real estate. Digital in-game businesses. Digital currency. A clumsy interface with dogshit codebase to match that's sagging under its own technical debt and still ten years behind the development curve. Star Citizen is the Metaverse.

[-] eleijeep@piefed.social 26 points 6 days ago

How many ships have you bought?

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[-] architect@thelemmy.club 11 points 5 days ago

It’s a scam. They scammed the original Kickstarter investors. Ffs i had a whole campaign TEN YEARS AGO that started the refunds! Like I FUCKING STARTED THAT SHIT! If you get a refund in star citizen- YOU’RE WELCOME. It took hundreds of emails of people claiming they were scammed for them to allow refunds!

Now over ten years later you chucklefuck losers want to defend that. Get the fuck out! You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about!

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[-] kurcatovium@piefed.social 17 points 6 days ago

Scam Citizen

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[-] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 84 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This game has been in development for a decade with near-unlimited funding. Jesus christ guys, this has been plenty of time to get your shit together.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 63 points 6 days ago

I think you pointed out why they don't get their shit together.

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[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 19 points 5 days ago

Come on bro, just one more billion, it will be great, just a few more billions and another 20 years....

[-] weps@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

That first dude was pretty big when he said he was the host at the beginning.

Then the game bugged out and they could't continue and suddenly it was the other guys show and he needed to wrap it up.

What an ass.

[-] architect@thelemmy.club 14 points 5 days ago

He’s been a piece of shit for eleven years. I’ve dealt with that fucking asshole.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 6 points 5 days ago

Story time?

[-] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 38 points 6 days ago

14 years of development, 1 billion dollars, and the tech demo is all they have to show for it. Bruh.

[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 10 points 5 days ago

It's also the friends they made along the way.

Which there wasn't. All those people in the video hate each other. You can tell by how they were making snide comments and nobody was supportive of anybody.

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[-] Almacca@aussie.zone 16 points 5 days ago

The only thing I enjoy about Star Citizen is when Bruce and Lawrence on Inside Games cover it once or twice a year whenever a new story about what a shit-show it is pops up. https://youtu.be/oWJh8EfVRrw

[-] djsoren19 6 points 5 days ago

holy shit how long have they been doing legally distinct inside gaming! love how YouTube has decided to never recommend them to me ever, not like I have watched hundreds of hours of Inside Gaming and Funhaus.

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[-] rozodru@piefed.world 32 points 6 days ago

did it surprise me that Star Citizen is still a buggy mess? no, I expected as much.

What surprised me was the sheer unprofessional-ism from everyone involved in that stream minus the Ollie guy. That Jared is a HUGE douche nozzel and if he ever worked on one of my teams and acted that way towards other employees I'd throw is ass out of the door. the fact he acts this way on a LIVE stream is truly mind blowing. I mean your company is funded literally by the people watching your stream and you act this way? The tree other devs sitting there couldn't give a rats ass about any of this. They know the game is broken, they know the game will never get released, but why should they care as long as they get paid? they know it's a joke and treat it as such.

If you continue to pledge/support this game you're a bigger idiot than the people on that stream.

[-] calliope@retrolemmy.com 20 points 6 days ago

Yep, you’re totally right.

leading to a deeply uncomfortable moment where Jared Huckaby, content director on the game, leans behind Hull and says: "We're at time—it's your show, wrap it up."

Doing this to someone in public is something a dickhead would do. When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time.

[-] rozodru@piefed.world 20 points 6 days ago

what's even more of a dick move is in the beginning it was all "we" "us" "the team" etc and then when things go south, as those fucking idiots SHOULD have expected it would, suddenly it's "your show".

These people aren't building a game for market. They're a bunch of children that have managed to covince other children to give them money to the tune of $1billion dollars. I mean hell you can look at their pledge tracker for the proof in the pudding. the stream was august 3rd and 2-3 days later players pledged another $500k in a day. ONLY NOW that people picked up on the fact that this steam even happened are people ranting and raving over it.

Just take a look at the starcitizen subreddit. Someone should study that subreddit because everyone there has stockholm syndrome. So many posts of "maybe now they'll start to produce something" like these fools are going to KEEP giving them money.

Just provide a user base the bare minimum with pretty graphics and the cash will flow.

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[-] mrbigmouth502@piefed.zip 23 points 6 days ago

I can't wait for people to STFU about this game.

[-] Rothe@piefed.social 14 points 6 days ago

Most people already have. It is just that it has a small hardcore fanbase, which behaves oddly cult-like. As long as you don't move in those circles you will never hear of the game except for when they fuck up so badly that even game journalists are reminded that the game exists.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

fanbase, which behaves oddly cult-like

Sunk cost fallacy?

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

I hear about it 1-2 times a year at this point.

Each time almost nothing has changed.

[-] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Oh I love these shitty presentations, so happy there is a new one to rubberneck

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 21 points 6 days ago

Maybe they will finally release it just as gaming computers become totally unaffordable and everyone gets into yo-yoing instead.

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[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

As someone that has wasted 100s of hours into Star Citizen I don't think I ever really liked that game as much as I convinced myself I did. Turns out I liked the game only because of what I thought the game could be instead of what it actually was. All my friends are trying to get me back into it but I just can't do it anymore. I probably only ever enjoyed 10% of my total playtime on that game as the other 90% was spent fighting the gargantuan technical issues, performance issues, game breaking bugs, and general jank. The game is all vibe and promises without an actual fun experience underneath.

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[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

For anyone who wants to play an actually developed space game that has many (not all) of the features of SC, I recommend checking out Elite:Dangerous. It was a fully released game 10 years ago and is still receiving content updates regularly.

[-] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 9 points 6 days ago

I enjoyed my time with that game for a while. Then it got tedious. It's a mile wide and an inch deep.

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[-] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

SCM levels of jank. Chris Citizen should've went into business enterprise software, he'll feel right at home

[-] Eternal192@anarchist.nexus 12 points 6 days ago

Hello Games has been showing how it should be done for years and while NMS did have a rocky start and you have to dig a bit to understand why it was released in such a state, they have strived to deliver on the promises they made before release and they did it with far less than Star Citizen has received and they have a stable game after years of content releases which were all free and Star Citizen couldn't showcase their game in working condition even in perfect conditions that was supposed to show the finished game, the whole stream was embarrassing bickering and has shown that not 1 cent was invested properly.

[-] Switorik@sh.itjust.works 26 points 6 days ago

NMS is a mile wide and an inch deep. Nothing you do feels like it has meaning, the story is meh, the gathering feels like it's a placeholder, ships are only collected for looks, the graphics are ok.

This isn't a good comparison.

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah but I'd honestly say the same for Star Citizen. Nothing you do feels like it has any meaning as they wipe he servers twice a year and the only way to make real progress is to spend real money, there literally is no story outside of world building and subtle lore, all the missions and mining feel like they are placeholder and more than half the time don't even work depending on the update, ships are mostly just for looks and the majority of the features inside them are bare bones at best, and the graphics are pretty good if you can even run the game at 60 fps and ignore all the glaring graphical glitches.

I've probably played the same amount of time in both games and my opinion of both is usually the same with "this games could be so much better." The only difference is that I actually have fun in NMS whereas in Star Citizen I spend most of my time fighting the game in an attempt to come out the other side with any sense of actually having fun. Star Citizen is such a time suck that most days I'd play it I'd come out the other side and realize I literally didn't even do anything besides constantly play catch up because the game fucked me over in some way.

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