Lemmy.ml isn't a leftist instance. Tankies are radical centrists.
I use Lemmy.world. I don’t see any of this drama, about cat food or leftists. I do see posts that used to be regular at Reddit, with decent discussion.
I'm on .ml and just don't see this. I moved here from .world after the cat food ban. The stupidity burned too much for me to stay there. I'm unsubscribed to most of the lemmy communities where the political crap is, so maybe that helps.
Should i ask what the "cat food ban" was?
It's a long story but basically after some stupid drama, lemmy.world banned discussion of cat food unless there was scientific evidence presented that the cat food was healthy for the cat. The drama had been about vegan cat food discussions in the vegan discussion group. Vegan cat food turns out to be a thing and appears to have enough approvals to be sold in pet stores, but people on .world wanting to talk about it should come over here to .ml. No I wasn't a participant in the vegan group discussion itself. I made some posts in the surrounding drama thread that you can probably find in my .world profile from shortly after I joined.
All the fucking libscolding about ml existing
You realize that ml develops the platform. Honestly perhaps piefed is more your speed. Or maybe go watch Hutch or something idk.
God I’m glad I’m not a Reddit liberal anymore.
Pro russia propaganda is generally contained in ml own communities. The tiresome thing for me is zionist tolerant instances and communities and fake palestinians supporter who both side the colonizers and the colonized or defend rhe democrats support for the colonizers
No I seem them regularly spreading pro russian propaganda and demeaning jabs against ukrainans in .world communities. The instance has to many disgusting users for it to be waved away with the "few bad apples" defense
"A few bad apples" is not a defense, it's a condemnation. A few bad apples spoil the bunch.
My argument was not to say that there is only few bad apples on the ml just that in my experience I don't see their propaganda that much often outside of their bubble
Fair enough. I seem to notice them pushing it everywhere.
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"Saying this as someone who considers themselves a leftist"
Which country do you consider yourself a leftist in?
I think you can be legitimately a Leftist but also not insane. There's a lot of posters over in that part of Lemmy who talk like they'd be overjoyed at the idea of rounding up everyone who'd ever expressed a view to the right of Trotsky, on Day Zero, and sending them to the gulags for being an Enemy of the Revolution.
The only country there is, of course, Brazil
THERE IS ONLY THE US
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I find the whining and complaining more annoying.
It's easy to block content you don't want (or switch to software that supports it). If it annoys you, block it.
...thats literally what they did tho?
Yeah but making a post about it is stupid, we're all blocking instances and users we don't like, it's like posting "tie your shoes if tripping on your laces feels tirening". Like what is this? a post for primary schoolers?
we’re all blocking instances and users we don’t like
People commonly think that everybody else sort of thinks and acts the same way that they do. Sometimes it's that way, but a lot of the time it isn't. I didn't block a single instance until I think last week. (It was lemmy.ml, not too coincidentally.) That includes my six months on piefed, as well as the several years before that on lemmy.world. I had considered blocking them in the past, but it was only recently that several accounts from there started behaving super-aggressively to me.
I'm just reluctant to block entire instances because I feel like I'll miss out on something. But at this point, I think if you're still on lemmy.ml, then you're probably not somebody who I want to interact with. But that's because it's just famous for being tankies.
Blocking an instance just hides posts to communities from there. I have ml blocked but still see posts and comments by their users. I don't know whether this is somehow magically different for everyone else since every discussion I've seen on the matter has at least one person claiming otherwise.
I am sure it depends on what interface you're using for the content. Like, what app or web UI, and even what are the settings for that UI. For example, I use Voyager on mobile, and there was one build where I blocked a person and could still see and reply to all of their comments. Obviously that was a bug, but it shows that blocking behavior depends on the UI.
At any rate, I double-checked. I used a private window and went to lemmy.ml to find a post there where the OP for that post had also commented, and when I went to that post through piefed's interface, I was still able to see the post, but it had a message at the top about me blocking the instance, but I was not able to see the comment from the OP under their own post. (Edit: But I could see the other comments, even the one that the OP had responded to.)
So, I can say that, from what I can see, at least in that situation, piefed.social was blocking comments from a person who I didn't specifically block as an individual, but was a member of an instance that I had blocked.
To start, I'm not trying to have an argument about this.
So, I can say that, from what I can see, at least in that situation, piefed.social was blocking comments from a person who I didn’t specifically block as an individual, but was a member of an instance that I had blocked.
Your description doesn't specify much about the origins of OP or the post. Was the community an "@lemmy.ml" community? If so I would expect it to be blocked. Was their account an "@lemmy.ml" account? If so I wouldn't expect that to change anything.
I see a lot of content from ml users, but no posts to their communities, and I use the default Lemmy UI. I haven't made a Piefed account before but ActivityPub (the federation protocol) is responsible for deciding what is and isn't blocked based on your lists AFAIK so I wouldn't expect any differences. That is to say, the included blocking features prevent the UI from receiving blocked posts, the UI shouldn't be responsible for hiding them.
I've noticed some lemmy clients refuse to block lemmy.ml. Take that what you will
ML is not far-left, it pretends to be in order to spread pro-Putin, pro-Russian, and pro-Republican state propaganda because they know it’s destroying America. ML and Russia are about as socialist as the Nazis claimed to be.
While I agree they aren't far left. They are sincerely more socialist than the Nazis were. The problem is, they are often as authoritarian as and group think vulnerable as maga, nazis, etc. Economics is fine. But it should never supersede or dictate social policy.
And all these heavily centralized States weather corporate or otherwise always fall to the same flaws. Power calcifying and protecting itself. Not the people or Society.
I''m much more upset about the much more prevalent imperialist propaganda hyping up the right wing democrats as saviors and presenting Luke warm social democrats as radicals to either support or hate but you seem to be a fan of this overwhelming disgusting support on this site for racism and imperialism.
Where? There's like three weirdo centrists that continually get swamped by progressive views. .World has a problem with its overuse of antisemitism as applied to antizionism, but centrist Democrat cheerleading is so far from a Lemmy-wide problem it's hard to believe you actually use it.
i'm new to my instance that isn't defederated from anything and I see an awful lot of whining about .ml hexbear and lemmygrad but i haven't seen the users do anything. i'm more annoyed by the whiners so far.
Same. I don't block anything and it's perfectly fine tbh. So called "tankies" supposedly everywhere, but all I see are left-wing people.
It feels like people are upset about running into users who are politically left-leaning... on federated social media.
That's like being upset about encountering queer people in the arts, or chuds in the weightlifting space, or conservatives at the gun range. What the hell did you expect?
It's just american imperialist upset they have any pushback.
I think Lemmy is radicalizing.
It’s not just Lemmy.ml either. I used to love dbz0, almost switched from lemmy.world, but now all the non-political content is withering away, and most of what I see is just absolutist, anarchist post. The admin is fine with explicit calls to violence against pretty much anyone.
And that’s fine. It’s their instance, they can their thing. But it’s so extreme I don’t even find satisfaction interacting with the instance anymore, like it’s a single community with one topic.
And I don’t mean to single them out. I have similar feelings from many instances, including Lemmy.world.
I’ve even seen some pretty extreme stuff on blajah, which I used to picture as a wholesome LGBTQ+ instance! Which I adore… until it’s not so wholesome.
What’s worse, Lemmy users don’t seem to care.
I’ll point out some off-topic discussion in a thread, and I just get piled on. Like, not every single Lemmy conversation has to involve statements about western imperialism or the futility of democracy or whatever, but apparently it does on Lemmy.ml, and it feels like it’s spreading.
That was more of a rant than I intended.
But I am concerned about this new internet place I like. I’ve seen one or two other Reddit clones wither away from political radicalization, too.
You’re not wrong, dbzer0 is fine with people having profiles like this:
I think israel is committing war crimes and genocide right now and need to be reined in and leaders put in jail but calling for blanket murders like this is over the line.
Just use tesseract and have us all automatically blocked then if we're all scary radicals. I see you were defending admiral patrick a few weeks ago, surprised you aren't hiding behind it still. It's right there for anyone who needs everything sanitized and corporate approved for them.
Leftism and pro LGBTQIA comms are not radical, violent, or terroristic, and trying to suggest they are is going to get you shit on here. It's by design to keep the fash out. Lemmy is overwhelmingly a leftist space, and most leftists have no problem with telling it how it is, especially during the largest global resurgence in fascism since WWII.
At a certain point, if everyone around you is a problem, maybe you should consider the possibility that the source of your discomfort is much more localized.
I was not defending the tesseract dev, what they did is inexcusable. That app can burn.
I sympathized with them some, though. I get what they were trying to do in their head, on some level.
If you think the more extreme parts of Lemmy are representative of “everyone around you,” as in the larger public in my life, I don’t even know where to begin with that. We live in different worlds I guess.
Correct, I don't surround myself with Enlightened Centrists© who think a little fascism is okay as a treat.
If you think being left of Newsom and supporting marginalized communities is extremism, you don't belong here, simple as. None of us will miss you when you go back to reddit and twitter.
When I joined Lemmy, Lemmy.ml didn't really feel different than Lemmy.world to me.
Maybe I'm taking crazy pills but it's like they got more propagandist on purpose. As if they decided to up the anthem because .grad got defederated by all sane instances.. And what's propaganda good for if it doesn't reach the right people?
Same with tankies having lemmy.world accounts. It's not ironic, it makes sense.
Now Lemmy.ml became their "outreach" instance, where they ban everyone who criticizes them (even on another instance) or even for downvoting (Dessalines did that because his favorite poster 'cowbee' got downvoted by "bots" too much. Then they opted out on lemvotes, so no more checking yourself).
For an outsider it looks like everyone agrees with them because they upvote each other and every critic got either banned or they blocked them themselves and I'm starting to think this might be by design. I wonder how many users are banned from .ml, while still retaining general visibility through federation.
Isn't it basically how Russia and China operate? Keep your own people isolated in a bubble where only your narrative is accepted and at the same time invade other spaces to manipulate their opinions?
Feddit.org is literally the zionist version of the tsnkis
Don't be surprised if you find hexbear giving you similar twitches.
Their instance was already defederated from hexbear, so they never saw posts from there.
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