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[-] just2look@lemmy.zip 156 points 3 weeks ago

It seems like they will just mark everything up by 10% and then give that discount at self checkout. So they will pocket even more while harming those who don't use self checkout.

Or eliminating cashiers altogether.

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 53 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It also doesn't really make sense to do it as a percentage. A cashier's wage is typically hourly, and the labor market has settled on a particular wage for cashiers in this area - say $15/hr.

If I have a $150 grocery bill, a 10% discount would be $15. For maybe 5 minutes of work. Working out to an hourly wage of $180/hr (60/5 = 12, 12 * 15 = 180).

So if they're saying "we should be compensating customers for being made to do labor", they'd be compensating them at roughly 12x the going rate for cashiers in this example.

Now if it's just meant to be punitive, OK. But then why not actually address the real issue: displacement of workers by technology and passing the labor burden on to unpaid consumers - either make that illegal or tax the company to help mitigate the harm it's causing by eliminating jobs.

[-] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago

For the last point, it is easier to tax unfavored behavior into the ground than it is to outright forbid it. That's why sin taxes exist after all.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don't think it would be difficult to outright forbid self-checkout at all, actually.

There's a difference between enforcing laws on individuals and enforcing laws on businesses. Businesses can't exactly run and hide, if they're using self-checkout they're going to get found out. That's distinct from something like the drug trade, which is all underground and hidden.

[-] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago

Some people fucking love self checkout. If you ban it, you'll have disability advocacy groups up your arse on behalf of autistic people and others with social anxiety.

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[-] lemonhead2@lemmy.world 88 points 3 weeks ago

honestly just cap executive pay. nothing they can do then

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 24 points 3 weeks ago

In fact, let's just screw the whole thing and seize the means of production...

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[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 57 points 3 weeks ago

This is a good intentioned, well-principled idea, but it's a ham-fisted implementation that isn't going to have the intended effect and extremely easy to work around.

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[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago

Can we go for upcharges on food items for modifying them next? If you are going to charge me $0.30 for adding tomatoes to a sandwich, you better damn well reduce the price by $0.30 when I remove tomatoes from a sandwich.

This is getting so out of hand in the USA.

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[-] Nemo@midwest.social 44 points 3 weeks ago

Fun fact: With very little effort, you can give yourself a discount at checkout!

Unethical corporations are humanity's predators and we should hurt them however we can.

[-] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

I grab my zero dollar curtesy gum every time I am at one.

[-] BeUnique@lemmy.zip 29 points 3 weeks ago

I didn't have to do a whole research paper on this to know that if I'm doing somebody else's job as a customer, the company is saving money.

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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 weeks ago

This is why I try to avoid self checkout. If I'm getting like 2 things and there's already a line, sure, maybe.... But if the lines are short, even if I only have a couple of things, I'll visit a real cashier.

Not because I need help with it, and not because I want to "stick it to the man" or anything. I want to be part of the metric that continues to justify that a cashier is still a position to keep, and pay someone for. I do it so that there will still be cashier's in the future, and someone can put food on their table because I didn't choose to do free labor for the 0.1%.

I know, I know. I'm so selfish, I should tHiNk oF ThE sHaReHoLdErS....

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 weeks ago

Personally, I greatly prefer these anyway.

As someone with social anxiety and ADHD, standing in line with a ton of people and then having to interact with a cashier is something I love to avoid.

That being said, I wouldn't mind a discount at all 😁

[-] acchariya@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

The discount comes from entering the code of the cheapest type of item no matter what item I picked up. Organic lady finger bananas? Looks like bulk Cavendish to me. I'm not being paid enough to know the difference when I'm using self checkout, a banana is a banana.

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[-] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 weeks ago

Ok, but since they're too cowardly to implement real price controls they just raised the price of everything by 10%.

[-] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly.

Another increase in the cost of living because of self serve checkouts. Can we just nationalize all corporation right now and divvy them up later?

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[-] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

How about food is a human right and should be free at point of purchase, lol.

Edit: lmao at the three American or Israeli downvoters. Eat shit, fuckers.

[-] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 18 points 3 weeks ago

i think it would be better to give universal basic income (money) and people buy food with that. why is it better? because it ensures that while people can afford food, one person does not buy 20 bread when they only eat 2 "because it's free".

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[-] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

I do think that people should be able to line up to get soup/stew/oatmeal/etc. low-cost food as much as they want.

Kids shouldn't be distracted from their schoolwork and even having their brains and bodies develop poorly because they don't get fed at home.

Adults shouldn't be distracted at work and/or committing crime to feed their families.

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[-] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Edit: lmao at the one American or Israeli downvoter. Eat shit, fucker.

It's 5 now, after you started going wild below. Not everyone who dislikes toxic people is an "American or Israeli."

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[-] MSids@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

There may be an unintended consequence of this. Corpos love to optimize to minimize any hits to their bottom line.

I could see any of these possibilities as a reaction:

  • Self checkouts become overwhelmed so stores remove remaining paid cashiers to add more self checkout lanes.
  • Self checkouts are reduced or removed to avoid giving any discounts.
  • I believe I read that grocery margins are thin at the store and are much higher for manufacturers. I could see stores increasing prices across the board to recoup costs.

Hard to know for sure, the people seem to just rarely get a W these days that isn’t immediately wiped out by something else.

[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

Hmm... I've read the opposite about margins: grocery store chains centralize purchasing so that they have a huge leverage on manufacturers.

For NY in particular, they shouldn't be able to raise their price easily as the city will have its city-owned stores to compete with them.

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[-] Magnus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 weeks ago

They will increase prices by 10% to offset this.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Grocery prices have gone up 25% to 30% since 2020. It has been at least three full years since the pandemic was declared over. And food prices have gone up at around 10% since then.

They don't need an excuse to add 10%, they're doing it anyway.

Sources:

https://americandefault.org/statistics/grocery-price-increase-since-2020/

https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2025/june/food-price-inflation-slowed-in-2023-and-2024

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300 billion in pure profits to executives… that could have ended hunger in the US last year.

So the next time you use the self checkout, remember to glance over at the lone cashier who lives in your neighborhood, look them in the eye and make sure they know about your excitement to be working for the shareholders for free now instead of their former colleagues. And if on the drive home you see their former colleague is getting evicted because they were laid off, make sure to honk, lean out your window and let them know how much you enjoyed the sweet song of “unexpected item in the bagging area.”

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[-] DonkeyStar@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Holy shit, that’s more than the employee discount I got working in retail.

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[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 15 points 3 weeks ago

EU should take note.

Unless I'm in a huge hurry I'll wait in the cashier queue, to do my tiny bit to help preserve jobs.

[-] BorgDrone@feddit.nl 25 points 3 weeks ago

Jobs aren’t something to be preserved, that’s the wrong way of thinking about it. Jobs are a waste of everyone’s time. You’re not saving a job, you’re spending labour. The goal should be to eliminate all jobs.

The problem is the link between income and work, that should be eliminated.

[-] diablicja@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

Sure, but I cannot eliminate that link. I can, however, queue to the cashier so that they can put food on the table.

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[-] ChristerMLB@piefed.social 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'd say that self-checkouts are fundamentally a good thing, just like other forms of increased productivity are a good thing – but in today's society they can both lead to unemployment and lower wages. That is unnecessary.

[-] moopet@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 weeks ago

Employment for the sake of employment isn't a good thing, though. The problem that's trying to solve is people not having enough money to live, which has multiple better solutions than makework.

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[-] jalkasieni@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 weeks ago

One would think there are better ways of achieving this. How about we start to actually make solutions that make price conciousness easier? Actually enable the ”free market” people are raving about. Start mandating open data standards, make the companies publish realtime pricing information, allow people to build solutions that make consumers aware they’re overpaying.

Fuel stations would be a good example of this, my phone could notify me that the pump price is 10% lower 4 minutes away, if it only had access to that data.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

I'm very much in favor of this. They place the burden of work on the customers, so they should compensate them.

[-] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

This is why I always skip a few items at self checkout, if you don't want to pay the cashier, then you'll pay me instead

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[-] Saapas@piefed.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

Crying about "free labour" seems pretty silly in this case. You're already going around the store picking your own shit, usually bagging it yourself, bringing it home yourself etc.

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[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Right, because if I self checkout my $200 grocery bill, that worker definitely would have made $20 in that few minute interaction.

I like the idea, but that's a terrible implementation. The cost of the bill has no relation to the money saved by using the machine and firing a worker. A flat amount no more than a % of the bill is tiny would be better. Like $1-3 but no more than 5% of bill.

[-] sgrakus@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 weeks ago

It’s ultimately just a bill that would kill the self checkout which maybe that is their intention.

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[-] sascha_isagirlname 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This seems like populist BS. For one, I don't think there's value in preserving jobs like cashiers - almost no one does that job because it's fulfilling. In a perfect utopia, this would be 100% automated.

The other thing is that I can't imagine this will have the result the law intends. The companies won't pay the 10% out of their own pocket, as they most likely couldn't. At least here in Germany, supermarket margins are pretty thin.

So they'd increase prices for all products to pay for this. Nothing would improve. Plus, going to the regular checkout would cost more than it does now.

I don't get it. This is such a non-issue compared to so many other problems. It's like they're trying to show they're doing something for workers but don't want to pay for it.

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[-] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Not to mention some companies relentlessly prosecute "accidental" and accidental mis-scans in self-checkout, so you significantly increase your risk of arrest by using them. I never do.

- Ex-cop, have arrested people for such mis-scans, most frequently at Wal-Mart

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[-] Avicenna@programming.dev 7 points 3 weeks ago

I think companies firing people in favour of AI should also be forced to allocate some generous portion of those salaries back to same level and lower employees as wage increases

[-] moopet@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

If the self-checkouts cost the company less, then it'd be good for them to pass on the savings - but in a capitalist world, that's not normal. If a company gets one of its food ingredients cheaper, does it usually drop its prices? Not unless it's already competing at that price.

Self checkouts are a good thing. They're not "us doing the shop's work". They're not "free labour". In fact, they're a boon to a lot of us as customers, and shops with them still have "traditional" tills you can use if you want (e.g. if you have a huge trolley of things or you want a nice chat)

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