The cost in preventable deaths, had we been continuing protein research instead of pouring the world’s resources into a fancy autocorrect, is incalculable.
Honestly they could’ve pointed AI at this problem to try and rack up at least some positive AI press coverage
But you need to understand, preventing deaths doesn't make Google any money. Please think about the poor corporation!
I think this is a miscalculation on Google's part because dead people can't buy their products.
People don’t buy products anymore. They’re too poor to care about. Businesses sell to governments and other businesses now and couldn’t care less what you want or think.
Holy shit, that is so fucking stupid. This has so much potential. This is such an anti-human pattern.
Google. The graveyard of projects.
They are killing Google earth desktop application.
Pls tell me this won't affect google earth VR on steam. It's amazing!
In 2011 Google surreptitiously edited, "don't be evil", from its mission statement. Voila!
It’s kind of a marvel that we all have the bulk of human knowledge at our fingertips, and instead of noble pursuits we largely use it for social manipulation and power grabs.
I guess there is just more population control in misinformation than there is in curing disease.
So the actually useful product gets shit down for the useless product
Useful for humans. Not for robots and reptiles.
So I finally let my Android Auto update from Google Assistant to Gemini, which it's been wanting for months.
First thing I did was prompt it to play a specific artist, just like I do at least once a week since it forces me to use the voice activation instead of the on screen keyboard, even when there are passengers that can type. It responded saying it is not capable of playing music at all. Wtf.
So I then rephrase and tell it to play the artist on YouTube Music... And it does so, but doesn't get the artist even close to correct. I had to prompt it 5 times with varying emphasis to get it to finally get it right.
So literally the first thing it did wa like to me... and then it worked correctly less than 20% of the time... So much better than the Assistant it replaced that never gave me a problem. Totally better.
Same thing with swapping to Gemini on the phone. First thing and only thing I asked for was to set a reminder alarm. But Gemini couldn't talk to the clock app and refused. In the trash it went.
I remember using Google Now on my Galaxy Nexus a lot and actually finding it useful. Then Google pushed for Assistant and it was a dumpster fire. Glad to see that big G is still up to the same shenanigans.
So they want the chat bot that lies instead of the science machine that cures cancers.
Wouldn't expect any less from the company that removed "Dont be evil" from its company charter.
Funny, one of the first arguments I had about AI was with someone who insisted it would be incredibly helpful at predicting protein folds.
That person was right: https://medicine.iu.edu/blogs/research-updates/the-protein-folding-problem-the-day-ai-unlocked-a-secret-of-life
So this may be why Google is closing AlphaFold; AI is already doing it.
To be clear, I wasn't necessarily disagreeing about AI's utility, just about how protein fold AI isn't the same as LLM AI; we've used computer models for predictions of protein structure and genetic mutation severity for a while, though they have always been taken with a grain of salt that I fear is no longer being done - a prediction is still a prediction, after all. Doctors were already incorrectly confusing computer model predictions of genetic mutation severity for positive test results back when I was working as a genetic counselor in the 2010's - my concern is that the widespread trust of "AI" is only going to exacerbate that.
I'm a bit confused, though. The AI doing it was AlphaFold, which is shutting down. Shouldn't your statement be AI was already doing it? Gemini is an LLM - not the same type of thing as AlphaFold, despite the fact that they're both called "AI," which was the cause of my original argument. The AI that was doing the protein fold prediction is being replaced with an "AI" that can't. It looks like there's still RoseTTAFold, but losing the frontrunner is still not great when it's shutting down to focus more on LLM's.
So this may be why Google is closing AlphaFold; AI is already doing it.
If you have no idea what Alphafold is, why comment on it. Fucking Lemmy....

Jumper announced in June that he was leaving DeepMind to join Anthropic.
Key people were leaving.
Other former staff members were reassigned to Alphabet's drug-discovery company Isomorphic Labs, which is a DeepMind spin-off.
It's not as bad as the headline makes it sound.
A tragedy has befallen humanity.
We've created the great filter that explains the Fermi paradox.
I kid you not, yesterday while reading about the ai bubble and the datacenters boom i was thinking maybe this is THE filter.
Not a nuclear winter, not the angry alien or the big scary asteroid. Just a fucking chatbot wasting all the water and power. We truly live in a boring dystopia.
If anything, it's climate change and failing systems due to late-stage capitalism, followed by some form of fascism or other authoritarian system, aided by AI to stay in power.
Electricity use from AI data centers on a global scale isn't impactful enough to make that much of a difference, it's more of a local issue, at least at the current rate. Water use is entirely negligible outside of the surrounding area, animal agriculture uses more than a thousand times as much as all data centers combined.
I went into hyperbole there, my bad. I agree wholeheartedly with your reply.
Admittedly, I have a bias here, since using water for food production feels more justified. Same with some industries. But I concede and agree that meat is not the most efficient way nor the most ethical source of food.
I think data centers rub me the wrong way because, for me, they are the straw that broke the camel's back. We see how lots of countries pull out of the fight against climate change (not that they were really fighting it, but at least they seemed to care a little) and now they waste more resources on things that are, from my point of view, not productive nor useful to most people. (Ethics aside, my view on Gen AI is that it is a tech that is not mature enough, and that the use of brute force to make it better is a waste of resources)
I will try to be more mindful about my comments.
Oh, no need to apologize, I fully agree with your overall view on AI data centers, and your observations of how politicians don't even nominally stand against climate change anymore. It's just become very blatant very rapidly, and it's easiest to see with data centers.
The way people prioritize different causes for climate change and environmental issues does frustrate me at times, so I appreciate the reply :)
amazing work
it's crazy. some of this went from taking years to now taking minutes and people react negative because it's using machine learning and AI.
Thank you Google.
This is fundamentally different than chat bots and the anti-AI movement needs to learn this to be effective.
The usefulness of alphafold had been grossly overstated by science media. The structures it generates are mostly nonsense, they typically can't generate molecular dynamics simulation trajectories with the correct physical properties, which makes them not useful for drug discovery. in computational biology today you'll most often find them in use as a starting point for structure refinement or as one of many sources of data for some integrative method. Again, not useless, and an improvement over previous structure prediction algorithms, but they didn't 'solve protein folding' or anything, like Google might have you believe. I don't put much stock in Nobel prizes, I mean, they gave one to Henry Kissinger.
Google also released alphafold 3 under a strict non commercial license, which severely limited its usefulness for both commercial and academic work, the latter of which all but requires using more permissive licenses. I assume Google wanted to monetize a commercial version of it at some point.
I've been using Openfold 3 in some work I've been doing recently, and while the software is a bit undercooked, it does produce structures similar to alphafold 3 without any of Google's bullshit. So I wouldn't worry too much about this announcement. The protein folding will continue with or without them
Do Be Evil
Engadget changed the click bait title.
Google is not shutting down alphafold.
New title: Google DeepMind disbands its Nobel-prize winning AlphaFold team
Although the url slug still says:
https://www.engadget.com/2225849/google-shuts-down-alphafold/
There is no story here, the original Alphafold team was moving to the private pharma service version of Alphafold. alpha fold continues, nothing is shut down.
Engadget should stick to iphone reviews.
Idiocracy
~~Don't~~ be [maximally] evil.
Google: A little evil is okay.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t AlphaFold basically solve protein folding, as in their master database of folds is now complete? Doesn’t it make sense to move on at this point?
If only genetic sequences were so finite. And what happens when researchers are developing a new protein that never existed before? Protein folding is NP-hard—even if P=NP is solved, protein folding may still be a challenge. It is likely that there will always be a need for software like this, and that the software will need periodic updates as new sequence behaviors come to light.
That said, as another comment points out, Google is merely stepping back from the AlphaFold project, which will continue without their funding or oversight.
It does not do everything perfectly. There's many abnormalities to protein structures and research in that area of biology is certainly far from done too. So there is definitely room to improve it further.
Sounds like they just moved the research over to isomorphic labs, also even from the onset people quickly took the original approach and paper and made their own versions tuned for their needs.
Feels more like a research project having achieved its goals, the key players moved on, and they're closing the Deepmind part of it as it's not really useful anymore.
they seriously out here shutting down the one universally accepted good this shitshow has brought us?
ffs man
really making it hard for the common person to not fucking hate their guts, between shit like this, data center pollution and the growing mental health crisis of people with cyberpsychosis getting talked into suicide by the llm
edit: shit i got jebaited by the title i think... the project is still available as is but the scientists have been moved to other projects yes?
They basically shifted all the research that they were doing through alpha fold to Isomorphic Labs.
Edit: there's a case to be made for the idea that they may have wanted to lower the public profile of the work they are doing in order to monetize it. Alpha fold was a non-profit endeavor, and switching it over to isomorphic labs may give them the opportunity to sell their research as a product instead of giving it away for free.
Go capitalism! 😒
We pursue AI for the good of humanity my ass
Did not realise the point google dropt the act of pretending to be good and went full evil mode.
Remember actually liking the little jokes they made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rznYifPHxDg
Unfortunately, they've been full-on evil for at least a decade.
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