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When you post on reddit, instagram etc. you're giving the company your valuable data. (And it often is valuable, you put your thoughts into it and all that). Consider if you take 15 minutes to create value content, you'd get paid $5 or sth if you were doing it commercially. Now all that value is donated to big tech companies. (that's the only reason why they have value at all.)

So what's the problem with that? The problem is that reddit and others can instantaneously put your years-long effort behind a paywall. I'm not joking. Look at these:

when i want to see content on reddit (for research) or instagram (for local community) they don't allow me to see the data that users have contributed. Reddit claims that it blocks VPNs for "security reasons", meanwhile i'm using VPNs in browser's incognito mode to not be tracked. Instagram wants you to sign in sothat they amass more users and can take leverage of the network effect even more.

I can understand restricting who can post to limit bot activity, but reading must always be possible. After all, it's our data. That's exactly what happens when you give your data to big companies to "communicate with other people": your data becomes a source of income for them, at our expense.

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[-] Fontasia@feddit.nl 9 points 6 days ago

It's a good thing that this could never happen to Lemmy and some vindictive mod would just take their instance offline, right.. Right?

[-] TootSweet@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Don't Contribute Anything Relevant in Web Forums Like Reddit

(Emphasas mine.)

So shitposts are fine?

I've been training my whole life for this.

[-] Blackdoomax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

Yeah. I only post sarcasms without the /s until I get banned from all the subs.

[-] leanleft@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

great post. im glad it has so many upvotes.
additionally:
i think it ties back to many issues:

  • privacy
  • stance and dividend of LLMs
  • online culture. digital communities
  • citizen rights
  • and lots more!
[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

Consider if you take 15 minutes to create value content, you’d get paid $5 or sth if you were doing it commercially.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Real "I grew up doing content farming in the early 2000s" energy.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

Remember they can't afford mods or to pay anyone. They can rip off your content for themselves though!

[-] Themosthighstrange@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

what about the subreddit posionai, they are doing the lords work out there

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

"your valuable data."

Hilarious.

[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 2 points 6 days ago

I stopped doing that a long time ago.

[-] eicker@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago

The irony is that this argument will probably get more attention on Reddit than on any open forum: Centralised platforms are great for discovery and awful for preservation. Use them as the billboard, not the library. Keep the valuable stuff where you control the rules, the backups and the future.

[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

agreed there, the rule should be, if your goal is to make sure your information is out there... don't limit it to one place. Post it to Lemmy, Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, keep it on your PC, and a flash drive, and have off site backups.

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[-] Mikina@programming.dev 60 points 1 week ago

I've been slowly replacing, by hand so it doesn't trigger their detection alerts, all of my 15 years of comments on Reddit, a lot of it valuable answers to tech questions or programming problems, with a randomly prompted unrelated paragraph of ChatGPT whatever.

When one of the first exodi(?) came, a lot people replaced their comments with random words through scripts, back then it was not as detected and prevented (which Reddit promptly scrambled to prevent), and thanks to people doing that I've eventually blocked Reddit from my Kagi altogether, simply because 90% of what I found was either questions with scrambled answers, comments that are just ads from bots, or just unrelated bullshit. So, it does have an actual impact.

Have fun selling that to AI companies.

[-] leanleft@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

i think the reason reddit deleted both my accounts, was so that i couldnt modify or delete my contributions.
after the accounts are deleted, they probably still have copies saved somewhere. but it revokes my access to remove or tamper with my content.

[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 week ago

LIke you I deleted all my comments and verified they were deleted. When I looked a couple of months later, Reddit had actually restored each and every one.

I'm slowly deleting them again. Maybe this time they'll stay gone.

[-] Womble@piefed.world 26 points 1 week ago

Deleting (or editing) comments does not change what the hosting website has, it just updates what they display. so there will be lines in a database saying:

  • the original comment was "blah"
  • on the 6th of August 2024 it was changed to "blah2"
  • and the 20 of January the comment was deleted

There isnt a way for you to remove that unless there is some legal mechanism for you to force them to remove all data about you.

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[-] Chozo@fedia.io 57 points 1 week ago

The problem is that reddit and others can instantaneously put your years-long effort behind a paywall. I'm not joking. Look at these:

Those aren't paywalls.

meanwhile i'm using VPNs in browser's incognito mode to not be tracked

That's not what a VPN or incognito modes do.

Reddit sucks for a number of reasons, but your internet literacy also kinda sucks.

[-] FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
The problem is that reddit and others can instantaneously put your years-long effort behind a paywall. I’m not joking. Look at these:

Those aren’t paywalls.

They are. You pay with you being tracked, profiled, your data etc for advertisement and other uses. That's what these "free" services use to monetise the user.

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[-] hoagecko@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 week ago

What I'm particularly concerned about lately is the growing share of online forums that don't even publish their content on the web.

The most famous example of this type of forum is probably Discord.

As those of you on Lemmy know, many people chose Discord as an alternative after Reddit's deterioration.

Hasn't this problem already escalated to the point where access to content isn't guaranteed not only to some bots but even to individuals without accounts?

Shouldn't those who love the web be extremely wary of online communities that don't even try to be based on the web?

That's what I think.

If search engines truly only show the "existence" of forums, then the open web is truly over.

[-] leanleft@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

personally, i would be cautious with discord too

[-] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago

There really is a place for closed forums of enthusiasts where not everybody can get access and where you can talk without being indexed by Google, fed into LLMs and analyzed by Palantir. There is a place for an open discussion on a public square, a place for a chat among mates in a pub and a scientific conference where people can speak freely about their research without fucking Elon Musk leading an army of trolls into the audience

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[-] Abyssian@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

I don't contribute anything worthwhile anywhere.

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[-] BladeFederation@piefed.social 39 points 1 week ago

I hate that "you were blocked by network security" page so much. Fucking smug fedora wearing neck beard with his arms crossed. What the fuck fo you think is going to be the difference of someone using a VPN vs being logged in with a VPN on network security? You're just lying to me reddit.

[-] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

They're likely on the hook to prove to their investors that usage statistics are real people and not bots. All the changes they've made do that as well as "keep people safe" or whatever.

A lot of people "confided" in reddit in the past by making an anonymous account to ask a question about something they didn't feel comfortable asking in real life due to social consequences, legal consequences, or perhaps mortal consequences depending on what was asked and what country the asker was in. Those people should consider that reddit could've sold them out.

With the new no VPN/must login rules people should consider that selling them out is reddit's business model. Posting on the privacy subreddit is hypocracy at this point. Would a question about the privacy of reddit itself stay up on r/privacy?

Lemmy is ready for those people I believe. They just can't be told about it via reddit.

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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago

My biggest beef with this new shaky-information world is that they hardly ever accurately date-stamp and time-stamp things anymore. This took me less than a minute to type and I find it mostly worthless so I'll be donating this one for free.

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[-] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's pointless anymore to try infoposting on reddit.

Take for example the soldering subreddit. The info on that sub is that you must slather everything in flux in order to solder properly. A guy posted yesterday citing 40 years of experience, saying that's not how he's done it. The comments are a mess.

Another post today, someone asks about air filtering the solder smoke. The consensus in the comments is it's not a big deal. You can literally measure the particulate matter yourself to see how bad it is. Basically an average residential room size, say 100-200 sq/ft. You'll basically hotbox yourself with smoke.

Another one that's seen less often but the false idea persists. It's that capacitors never short and burn out. I don't know how or why that false idea floats around, but I've seen it over the years. I've replaced tons of caps that spontaneously combusted. Both electrolytic and SMD caps. Sometimes they just fail and short. No other fault.

Reddit is full of bad info. It's site that relies on word of mouth and popularity contest. You do not build a knoweldge base of technical information this way. You're getting an entropic game of telephone. That's all reddit ever was and ever will be. It's flawed paradigm by default.

A paradigm that lemmy is built off. So don't you all be getting the idea that good knowledge is going to be getting sourced from here either.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

It’s kind of insane that integrated wikis aren’t the centerpiece of (Reddit) communities.

Instead, we got… Discord?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Early iterations of the community did try to incorporate these features.

But simply tapping the sign that reads "Go read the wiki on this solved issue" doesn't generate the kind of traffic and community participation that repeating the same copypasta every month or two does. Also, god forbid one of your mods does something like...

  • post something unPC in a Politics community

  • argue with content from a native advertiser

  • piss off an admin... somehow

  • sign in from a device in a way that triggers an automated unchallengeable ban

  • fail to constantly scour your community of shitposts

Plenty of the old subs have been hollowed out, transferred, or otherwise denuded of their professional contributors for some stupid reason or another. And now the site is so aggressively policed that you can't really join (much less re-join once you've been booted) to add anything useful.

This has been the OG Wikipedia's fate as well, with mods getting older and links going stale and new contributors all getting hyper-policed for fear of bots, marketing accounts, and shitposters.

Small forums full of active users are more reliable for useful information than big forums full of lurkers and attention whores. That's not unique to Reddit. Just very obvious, given the long and deplorable history of the platform.

[-] elephantium@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Meanwhile I'm playing Oxygen Not Included, and like half the time I look something up about the game, half the results are on reddit. There's a lot of accumulated stuff on there that's still helpful.

Of course, any false or outdated info will quickly be obvious when you start up the game again. Lower stakes than soldering safety.

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[-] db2@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Half of what I post anywhere is horseshit, but you won't know which half or even whether this reply is included in it. Good luck.

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