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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by browle@feddit.uk to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk

Over the last weeks I went through 600+ brands that get recommended as "European alternatives" and tried to verify where their products are actually made — factory pages, press visits, certifications. Some things genuinely surprised me:

1. Birkenstock really is made in Germany — over 95%. Their largest production site is in Görlitz, Saxony, and they're expanding it. (source)

2. Every single Nespresso capsule sold worldwide is made in Switzerland. All of them — roasted, ground and sealed in one of three Swiss factories. (source)

3. The Norwegian outdoor brands mostly don't produce in Norway — but they built their own factories in the Baltics. Norrøna runs its own factory in Lithuania, Devold makes over 90% of its wool clothing at its Lithuanian plant, and Aclima knits its merino in Estonia. Still EU, still their own factories — but not what the marketing photos imply. (Norrøna, Devold, Aclima)

4. About 85% of Beyerdynamic headphones are still handmade in Heilbronn, Germany. In an industry that moved to Asia decades ago. (source)

5. Salomon opened a fully automated sneaker factory in the French Alps to build shoes 100% in France. Automation is what makes European sneaker production viable again. (source) (Scope correction in the EDIT below.)

6. The canvas sneakers you'd guess are the most "outsourced" product are the opposite: Novesta has run the same Slovak factory since 1939. (source)

The pattern I keep seeing: "European brand" and "made in Europe" are completely different claims. The ones that really produce here are usually loud about the specific factory — the vague ones ("designed in…", "European quality") usually aren't.

And the flip side, which felt just as important: some famous "European" names didn't hold up. ~~The SIGG bottle is no longer made in Switzerland;~~ the Berkel slicer — an Italian icon — is now built in India under a "design made in Italy" line; Teufel is designed in Berlin but produced in China. I put those on a public "not listed" page with the reason for each, because quietly leaving them out felt dishonest.

Disclosure: this is my own project — I put all 628 verified brands with their sources into a free directory, browle.com, EN/DE/FR, no ads, ~~no tracking~~ and since this thread: no third-party code on a normal page view. The "not listed" page is there too. Corrections very welcome — the evidence link is on every entry.

EDIT (26 July): I wrote in the correction comment that I'd leave the original text standing. With a third correction now in, that stops being honesty and starts being a post that's wrong in three places, so the corrections are in the body itself: wrong lines struck through, nothing deleted.

  1. "No tracking" was wrong. The site's own code never had trackers, but the newsletter form was a beehiiv embed that loaded Google Tag Manager and other third-party scripts inside its iframe on every page. Since 25 July the form loads only if you click it; a normal page view runs no third-party code. Details in the comment linked above.

  2. The SIGG line was wrong. They still run their own factory in Frauenfeld and mark the Swiss-made bottles with a red Swiss cross; other lines come from outside suppliers. "Check for the cross", not "no longer made in Switzerland".

  3. Salomon needed scoping. The French factory is real, but it builds select models; most of the range is still made in Asia. The directory entry now says so plainly.

All three came from commenters here. The count in the disclosure was 628 when I posted; it's 631 today, and three of those are tips from this thread.

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[-] 000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

I don't think it matters where they are physiclally made. What matters is where the money is going.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 153 points 2 weeks ago

Espresso capsules may be made in Switzerland, but Nestlé is one of the more ethically problematic corporations, responsible for unethical baby-milk promotion in the developing world, aggressive water privatisation and other predatory practices. If it was a choice between them and a random American company, I’d choose the latter.

[-] Drasglaf@sopuli.xyz 40 points 2 weeks ago
[-] browle@feddit.uk 13 points 2 weeks ago

Fair, and I don't want the list read as an endorsement.

browle answers one narrow question — where is this actually manufactured — and deliberately doesn't rank companies on ethics, because that's a judgement you'd want to make yourself and we'd almost certainly draw the lines differently. Nespresso is in there because the manufacturing claim is unusually verifiable, not because I think Nestlé is a good corporate citizen. The baby-formula history and the water extraction are real and well documented.

"Made here" and "behaves well" are separate axes, and a directory that quietly merged them would be doing the same thing I'm complaining about with "designed in".

[-] Rheinish@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago

I don’t know about all of them, but of the ones I’m familiar with, Birkenstock and Beyerdynamic, neither is really European anymore. Birkenstock sold a majority stake to L Catterton in 2021. It's a US American private equity firm. Beyerdynamic was sold to Cosonic in 2025, a Chinese company.

From what I've heard Birkenstocks have gone down in quality massively since then even if they're mostly still produced in Germany. I don't know how Beyerdynamics has fared since.

[-] PromKingJosh@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 14 points 2 weeks ago

Salomon Group is also owned by Finnish Amer sports, which in turn is 44% owned by Chinese Anta Sports and 4.5% by Tencent.

[-] browle@feddit.uk 8 points 2 weeks ago

Both true, and worth stating plainly: Birkenstock has been majority-owned by L Catterton, a US private equity firm, since 2021, and beyerdynamic was sold to Cosonic — a Chinese OEM that builds headphones for Philips, JBL and Beats — in June 2025 for a reported €122m.

What browle checks is where a product is manufactured, not who owns the brand. Those are genuinely different questions and I should be clearer about that on the site. On the manufacturing side both still hold: Birkenstock's Görlitz site is still being expanded, and the Cosonic deal was explicitly structured around keeping the Heilbronn production and the "Handmade in Heilbronn" marking, with the existing management staying in place.

Whether that survives the next few years is exactly what a directory like this should re-check rather than assume — every entry carries a "last verified" date for that reason, and this is a good argument for showing ownership as its own field instead of leaving people to find it out in a comment section. Noted, and thank you.

On quality post-2021: that I can't verify, so I won't pretend to.

[-] vogi@piefed.social 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

claude cream will be the next twitter blue of the web and im already sick of looking at it.
also please dont say there is "no tracking" if you are injecting google tag manager :/

good luck with the project though :)

[-] browle@feddit.uk 6 points 2 weeks ago

You're right, and thanks for catching it — I've fixed it rather than argue about it.

What was happening: browle's own code has no GTM and no analytics cookies (PostHog, EU-hosted, cookieless, no person profiles). But the newsletter signup form was a beehiiv embed sitting on every page, and inside that iframe beehiiv loads googletagmanager.com/gtm.js (container GTM-WJXL7FH) plus a PerimeterX script and Google Fonts, with a __cf_bm cookie on top. So "no tracking" was false for anyone who loaded any page, whether or not they cared about the newsletter. My mistake was treating "we don't add trackers" and "no trackers load" as the same sentence.

As of today the form only loads when you click the subscribe button. On a normal page view nothing loads from beehiiv or Google at all — the one remaining external request is EU-hosted PostHog, which the privacy page has always described. That page now also names GTM, PerimeterX and the __cf_bm cookie outright instead of leaving them undisclosed: https://browle.com/en/privacy

If you check again and something still fires that shouldn't, tell me and I'll fix that too.

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[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ok, but fuck nestle.

Also most salomons are made here in vietnam. Weirdly they're even more expensive and don't come with a 2 year warranty so I have absolutely no idea who is buying their stuff in Vietnam.

[-] Tweak@feddit.uk 4 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds like Salomon are playing a trick where they imply 100% of all their shoes are made in France, but really it's only 100% of the shoe you're looking at that is.

[-] Kjell@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I have bought many jackets and shoes from Salomon, but it has never been made in Europe. And I saw a while ago that they are owned by a Chinese company.

[-] browle@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago

Your experience checks out. Nearly everything Salomon sells, jackets included, is made in Asia. The French factory is real but builds select shoe models only; my entry was too loose about that until this thread, and now says so plainly.

On ownership: Salomon belongs to Amer Sports, originally Finnish, and Amer's largest shareholder since the 2019 buyout is Anta Sports from China (PromKingJosh has the numbers upthread, around 44%, plus a small Tencent stake). So not wholly Chinese-owned, but Chinese-anchored, yes.

The directory deliberately answers one narrow question, where the product is manufactured, and not who owns the brand. Both matter when you decide what to buy; they're just different facts, and blurring them is how "European brand" got so fuzzy in the first place. The same came up with Birkenstock upthread, majority-owned by a US fund since 2021. Showing ownership as its own field is on my list for exactly that reason.

[-] browle@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago

You're right, and my directory entry was too loose about it. Fixed today.

Most Salomon volume is built in Asia, Vietnam included, exactly as you say. What surprised me was the exception: the automated ASF 4.0 factory in Ardoix that builds select models 100% in France. That's a small slice of the range, notable because it exists at all, not because it's the norm. The entry now carries the "specific lines" badge and says plainly that the bulk of the range is still made in Asia.

On Nestlé: no argument here, see my reply upthread. The list answers where something is made, not whether the company deserves your money.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Salomon shoes say where they were made on the tag, but you can never trust it.

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[-] browle@feddit.uk 18 points 2 weeks ago

Two corrections, both from this thread.

  1. The disclosure below says "no tracking". That was wrong. The newsletter signup form was a beehiiv embed sitting on every page, and inside its iframe beehiiv loaded Google Tag Manager, a PerimeterX script and Google Fonts. browle's own code never had any of it, but that distinction doesn't help you as a reader — it loaded either way. Fixed the same day: the form now loads only if you click it, nothing third-party runs on a normal page view, and the privacy page names all of it outright.

  2. The SIGG line above is wrong. They still run their own factory in Frauenfeld and mark Swiss-made products with the red Swiss cross — the range is split, not moved abroad. It's now a scoped listing on browle instead of sitting on the not-listed page.

Both were caught by commenters here, which is roughly the best argument for posting this stuff in public. Leaving the original text standing rather than quietly rewriting it.

[-] kazerniel@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Leaving the original text standing rather than quietly rewriting it.

Maybe cross it out and add the correct information afterward? That way the original can be seen, but if someone doesn't scroll down to the comments, they still get correct info.

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[-] birdwing 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

All this makes me wonder if maybe I should establish a store that only sells European-made/European-owned products... that way, the visitor needs not figure it all out.

[-] browle@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago

If you do, the hardest part is deciding what counts. Owned in Europe, founded in Europe and manufactured in Europe give you three very different lists, and a lot of brands only make it into one of them. I settled on production location as the only thing that decides a listing, and put ownership on the page as a separate fact, because people kept reading one as the other. Everything I have is public with the source on each entry, so lift whatever is useful.

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[-] crimson_iris@piefed.social 15 points 2 weeks ago

This — is — AI — slop.

[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Is it though? Some people, myself included, actually use emdashes, though I'm usually just lazy and use a hyphen instead.

Or is something beyond the emdashes tipping you off?

[-] starlinguk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Sane people use n-dashes. Fight me.

[-] kazerniel@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I agree, m-dashes are too long, but afaik in US-English they are the norm (but not with spaces around it, which imho makes it even worse).

I would say – interjecting like this – flows much better than—interjecting like this—in the middle of text.

[-] qupada@fedia.io 3 points 2 weeks ago

While some people would insist on a strict difference in the usage between en and em dash, like so many things the lines have become blurred.

Though to some this is "incorrect" usage, I like the space-endash-space visually as a replacement for (bracketed) text, especially when dealing with a longer "aside" within a larger block of text.

As however those exact same people would almost certainly tell me that "language evolves" and to stop being a "prescriptivist" when insisting that you can't just use words incorrectly and insist that the reader keep up with your new meaning, they can get bent.

I like the way it looks, and it reads well for the overwhelming majority of people.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

When being lazy, an em dash should be replaced with two hyphens.

[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

But that's two keystrokes when one somewhat suffices. One is lazier than two!

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[-] Dumhuvud@programming.dev 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's not just the em-dashes; the whole post reads like Claude-generated slop. Sorry about the downvotes.

https://feddit.uk/comment/26477759 - this comment by the OP is just too on the nose.

Two corrections, both from this thread.

Leaving the original text standing rather than quietly rewriting it.

Yep, that's how normal people talk. Native speakers especially. lmfao.

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[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

There's a site that just came to my attention, worseonpurpose.com, that might appreciate this information.

[-] browle@feddit.uk 5 points 2 weeks ago

Hadn't seen it — thanks, that's a good neighbour project. Different question than mine (how it's built to fail vs. where it's built), but the same instinct.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

That site blocks users on VPNs.

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[-] birdwing 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hell yeah, thanks for the research!

On electronics, any recommendations? I made a list here...

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[-] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Fun fact, because of Nespresso, Switzerland is the biggest producer of coffee worldwide.

[-] huppakee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Barely any coffee is roasted where it is grown, so although it sure is a fun fact it's worth mentioning countries like Brasil or Ethiopia are very far from coming second or third.

Thank you - that sounds like a lot of ground work that most people don't know how to even start, but can benefit from.

[-] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

This is marvelous, thank you for the hard work!

[-] Kjell@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Will you continue to add more brands and regularly check where they are made? Maybe you can add a field for suggestions of new brands?

[-] browle@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yes to both, that's the plan.

Every entry shows a "last verified" date, and re-checks update it. In practice threads like this one are the fastest correction mechanism: three fixes from this thread went into the data the same day, including the SIGG scope and Sennheiser's Tullamore factory.

For suggestions, contact@browle.com works today and goes straight into the review queue. A proper suggestion form on the site is on the roadmap. Suggestions only get listed once there's a public source for where the products are made, which is also why some famous names sit on the "not listed" page instead.

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[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

Arcos knifes are still supposedly made in Spain.

When I was buying a SIGG bottle the filter on the page let me search for EU made bottles. At least some models are still supposedly made in Germany Switzerland.

[-] browle@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago

You're right and I got this one wrong — thank you.

I re-checked SIGG's own pages. Their Swiss Made page refers to "our factory in Frauenfeld" and says the red Swiss cross logo "identifies products that are manufactured in Switzerland", with the origin stated on the product or the packaging. Their Swissness page says they keep investing in the Frauenfeld factory, while also working with outside manufacturers "regardless of where they are produced".

So the accurate picture is a split range — part still made in Frauenfeld, part not — and not "no longer made in Switzerland", which is what browle's not-listed page says and what I repeated in this post. That's overstated and I'm correcting it; a split range is what the site handles as a scoped entry, which is how it should have been filed.

Arcos: noted, and it came up twice in this thread — Albacete, stated on their own site. It goes in the queue.

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

Arcos knives, which are excellent, and great value, ARE made in Albacete, Spain. 10 year warranty, BTW. Not life, but not shabby.

[-] browle@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago

Both of your tips checked out, and both are in the directory now. Thanks.

Arcos: their own pages document the Albacete plants, knives since 1734, around 75,000 pieces a day. Listed.

And you're right about SIGG, which means my post above overstates it. Their Frauenfeld factory still makes the aluminium bottles, and SIGG marks the Swiss-made ones with a red Swiss cross; other lines come from outside suppliers. So it's not "no longer made in Switzerland", it's "check for the cross". The entry is scoped that way now.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Do you take suggested additions? I like Fjallraven stuff, but they don’t manufacture in Sweden, sadly.

[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Fjällräven is a lifestyle fashion company nowadays unless you go for the top shelf stuff.

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[-] browle@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago

Suggestions are the main way this grows, so yes — keep them coming.

Fjällräven is a good example of the hard case: strong Swedish identity, production largely elsewhere, and no per-line statement from them that I can point at. Without that there's nothing to verify in either direction, which makes it a not-listed candidate rather than a listing. That page exists precisely so brands like this don't just quietly go missing.

[-] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 2 points 2 weeks ago

Good work. I will check it during the weekend.

[-] kazerniel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Please ditch the clickbait title, it's quite annoying.

Btw yea, those labels like IKEA's "designed in Sweden" are openly racist, who tf cares where something was designed, don't try to Europe-wash your outsourced production...

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