Hey, german government, parliament and federal council. This is how that works, now do that, too. For fucks sake!
Good, fuck them and their anti-democratic brethren.
as much as i hate AfD and the far right, i think banning them will just put fuel on the fire and it gives them easy propaganda material, where they can pose as the victims here
it’s a really hard situation and banning feels like the bad move to me tbh
Tolerance paradox.
Amputation is a valid course of treatment while the cancer or infection is spreading. Leaving the limb alone can lead to dead much more quickly.
Take it from us in the USA, do not fuck around with these types of groups
Banning a political party leads to a loss of funding and they're not allowed to get back together in the same or similar constellation. It would set them back for at least a decade and destroys all of the work they put into their Nazi projects. It absolutely helps and it's absolutely vital that this ban happens.
Nice, take nazies (and Putin pawns) down one party at time
ESN is all about freedoms and democracy unless it goes against their interests
Maybe the people downvoting your comment should've read the article to figure out what ESN stands for.
to clarify: ESN is the EU's far right party pool.
Just your average fascists. It's always the same with them, wherever you look.
So theyre banning the group these parties are a part of, and no the parties. Thats not even clickbait, thats just misinformation if im reading this correctly.
This is about parties in the EU parliament which are made up of representatives from national parties. The EU can't ban parties on a national level.
pls make it happen
Found this a few posts down
https://feddit.org/pictrs/image/6676522c-4cc7-42a1-abe7-9e005f9e0c53.jpeg
Banning a party will not magically make the support they have disappear. When people with fascist views get isolated, we only make them close more and more in their own bubble, which will just create more extremism. It's the same with people that make fun of flat earthers. You are not going to change their mind, you are just sending them deeper into their delusions. People still don't get that banning everything we don't like is not a long term solution, but makes the problem worse (war on drugs, forbidding prostitution, etc)
It will not magically cure all problems, but it is indeed important to ban them. It will do multiple things, for example they will not receive any EU funding or other support. It will also prohibit them from advertising their views and they will not have a platform anymore in television and radio. Which will reduce the amount of propaganda they can spread and therefore reducing the impact they have on the population and in return reduce the support they have.
And this is just one aspect.
I disagree. Trump got elected (twice) with >30 felonies and after having said all sort of things that only few years ago would have made him completely uncandidable. Deplatforminng doesn't have the impact that it used to have and only make the person look like "they are going against the strong powers", that's why the afd in germany keeps getting stronger despite the multiple bans, Trump in the US, the neo-fascists movements in the uk, the neofascists in Italy. What has calling these people "fascists" and isolating them has achieved? Only raising their consent. Also, television and radio are not so meaningful anymore as they used to be, internet has made them completely obsolete and most people take their info from the latter. It's counterintuitive, but the political history of the last 10 years has proven this multiple times. It's very useful to look into how cult works and what's the best way to unlock them. Isolating the people in the cult is the worst move one can make.
Trump was not deplatformed, if anything the total opposite of that.
True, but not because they didn't try, which is my point. The attempt was to make him so much of a monster and demonise him that nobody would have voted him. The point was to isolate him and they achived the opposite, as you correctly said.
If the republican party was banned after the first trump presidency, they wouldn't have recovered fast enough to get a second presidency. Most likely they would have stayed fractured and we may have gotten actual reforms.
Far too late but good luck.
Do anyone have full list of parties that may get banned?
Article mentions obvious German afd, forum for democracy - fvd from Netherlands, Bulgarian revival and spd from Czechia directly. European esn party as mix of these and 6 more. Guess that's all about them?
While EU gov on many levels, have way more far right or extremist groups, would they be affected too (pls be)?
Yes, let us learn from past mistakes for once!
Not a fan. This is inherently anti-democratic, regardless of the views that the efn espouses.
These groups are themselves anti-democratic. Democracy is allowed to defend itself.
I would go further, democracy must defend itself. It's an embarrassing failure to allow anti-democratic parties to gain power through democratic means.
There is no room for fascists.
Check out the concept of the tolerance paradox, it might shift your point of view a bit. Think there's a copy pasta of a nazi bar that's in a similar context
You are wrong. People like this shouldn't be given a chance to be voted for, lest their propaganda wins and we end up in a full blown WW3.
Obviously these powers to ban a party must be kept under high scrutiny of the public incase they start banning all of their competition, but in this case right now It is good.
Ain't it the same parliament that recently passed mass invigilation of EU citizens without a vote?
Quite the contrary. That mass surveilance was pushed through by the EU commision against the parliament that already rejected it (twice).
I just want to mention that this procedure is raised by party that have majority right now in parliament. That are European People's Party - christian and conservative. They are the same as MAGA just not as radical (yet) as AfD. Whoever thinks that's good thing may go to hell because I don't want to be ruled by christian conservative idiots but I want them to fight against each other so they can show their true nature.
Let's see how the 30% of nazis and / or uneducated idiots who voted for them will react.
There are a LOT of far right MEPs who pretend they're not far right and are members of the conservative parties. So I'm not holding my breath.
Also wondering when Weidel will be arrested for treason.
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