I still have pride in what The United States aspired to be between the two times the billionaires took over.
Truth, justice, compassionate for most (not Nazis, for example) and a vision for a future that lifts up all cultures and takes responsibility for our mistakes.
I am definitely not proud of who we are right now.
America has always been owned by the capitalist class, since Jamestown. White supremacy has always been prevalent, even during the short period of social Democracy under FDR.
The United States has never aspired for any of those things. It was founded on Slavery and Ethnic Cleansing, values still institutionalized today in for form of penal slavery and chauvinism. Even the modern nazi movement of MAGA echos back to the supremacist practices the Nazi's got from the US.
The values you like have never come from The United States, they've come from the history of resistance of American workers, from abolishionists to suffragettes to sewer socialists
Wow....never seen such an ignorance of modern American history. Are you forgetting all the "interventions" the US did since the end of WW2, especially in South America where despite the supposed "war on drugs" the CIA teamed up with drug cartels, arming them, funding them, even allowing them to smuggle drugs into the USA to fund rebel fighters to overthrow governments? How it massively increased it's prison population and then allowed them to be used as slave labour by corporations, actively got minorities hooked on drugs, used it's own National Guard to kill protesting university students at Kent State?
Right, i'm totally unaware of any of those things because otherwise I could not possibly have any aspirations or good feelings about the higher goals of many people in this nation have. Martin Luther King Jr. was just a fool if he even existed because this country is so horrible.
Truly, the fact that I still live in this country means that I am as bad as every one of those things that you described, because I haven't killed myself or left in disgust before now.
LMFAO
Look up CIA involvement in Indonesia.
You mean some of the 12 years when FDR was president? That may be the only time that somewhat matches your description, but still not full 12.
And that took a country in literal starvation.
And there was a literal apartheid in place while he was president.
Would that be before or after they drove all the Native Americans out in order to try to establish this?
I did say aspired for a reason. The actions of the leadership does not necessarily mean the ideals are bullshit. Ask the abolishionists who were fighting against slavery in 1800.
I am very much ashamed to be american right now.
we're a bunch of obnoxious assholes what's to be proud of
People are realizing they are free-range slaves and the institutions of both government and religion are false paths built from ideas that were once authentic. Both being used as conquering techniques to own control of humanity, not necessarily protect, serve, or secure an honest future for it.
Humanity isn't a godly experience anymore, it's a business, and the people got so manipulated they are proud enough to kill to be a form of owned cattle.
If there is an awakening socially maybe we will end up seeing the issue stems not from America alone, but western culture as a whole. America is just ...like the selfish arrogant rich kid that made it blatantly obvious.
In palantir and marketed psychological media that leads the path of our future we trust. Amen.
The first step in true change is understanding that we ourselves still hold blame daily. Once we can reconcile this understanding and work within ourselves to become genuinely better humans, that honest truthful change can grow outward. Change isn't coming from anyone but ourselves. Stop waiting for a saviour, otherwise things will continue to become worse. Live for needs, don't get distracted by wants. Wants enslave you to becoming their cattle. Understand what is truly need, detox from the old culture, and relearn the idea of creation, which historically is what it means to be built in God's image. Buying mass produced bullshit that contains no honest expression of the human experience is like drug use. That is how they make you their cattle. Become human again.
Being proud of something you had no part in creating always seemed weird to me.
Write a novel. Perform a song. Win a race. Makes sense to be proud.
Happen to be born someplace? Big fucking deal. Most of the people who go on about being proud of the US are going out of their way to make it worse
Sports team fans have always been a weird thing to me. Love the sport? Sure, but caring how a team does that you have no influence over is weird.
The emotional buy-in makes it more exhilarating. And it's really easy to do, the human mind loves to give things an identity and a story. And it satisfies the primal urge to belong to a community. Team sports basically hack your brain in some very satisfying ways.
It gets messy when people with poor emotional regulation rely on the sports feelings.
Because being a citizen of that country/city means you are inherently responsible for and add to the culture of said country/city. There's no song, novel, or individual that is created without outside influence and in the vast majority of cases that influence comes from a village/city/country. You literally wouldn't exist as the person you know if you were born somewhere else.
There's nothing wrong with being proud of where you come from. It only becomes problematic when it becomes nationalism
I think the idea is if we had a functional democracy we would have a part in creating it.
The lack of patriotism is just more people waking up to the fact that neither Republican nor Democratic politicians give two shits about the American people.
Emma Goldman on Patriotism (July 9, 1917)
The Anarchist Emma Goldman was tried for conspiring to violate the Selective Service Act. The following is an excerpt from her speech to the court, in which she explains her views on patriotism.
"Who is the real patriot, or rather what is the kind of patriotism that we represent? The kind of patriotism we represent is the kind of patriotism which loves America with open eyes. Our relation towards America is the same as the relation of a man who loves a woman, who is enchanted by her beauty and yet who cannot be blind to her defects. And so I wish to state here, in my own behalf and in behalf of hundreds of thousands whom you decry and state to be antipatriotic, that we love America, we love her beauty, we love her riches, we love her mountains and her forests, and above all we love the people who have produced her wealth and riches, who have created all her beauty, we love the dreamers and the philosophers and the thinkers who are giving America liberty. But that must not make us blind to the social faults of America. That cannot make us deaf to the discords of America. That cannot compel us to be inarticulate to the terrible wrongs committed in the name of patriotism and in the name of the country. We simply insist, regardless of all protests to the contrary, that this war is not a war for democracy. If it were a war for the purpose of making democracy safe for the world, we would say that democracy must first be safe for America before it can be safe for the world."
What articulate and insightful writing, someone should make a book club studying her work, I'm sure the state wouldn't do anything horrible to them /s (arc)
Give me something to be proud of, and I'll be fucking proud.
But currently...
We have hands down, the most corrupt federal government in our history.
We're blowing up non-military boats without any due process.
We're shooting missiles in elementary schools and threatening the death of an entire country.
We're financially and materially supporting/encouraging a genocide.
We've hung Ukraine out to dry.
We've absolutely skull fucked the global economy.
We're being lead by (probably) a core member of the largest child trafficking operation in the last century.
Our people can't afford healthcare, childcare, housing and food.
The right to vote is actively being undermined.
You know what would make me fucking proud?
Fining (or better yet liquidating) the corrupt companies, individuals and organizations that are party to trumps grifts, using that money to establish UBI, pay reparations to Iran (of all fucking things), establish fair and sensible taxation policies, reset the supreme court, and put every fucking member of the Trump admin through an actual justice system that is accountable to the people.
Franky, anyone who is proud of the US right now needs to be fucking locked up.
Oh, I forgot, we have literal concentration camps in the US right now... For the second time in 10 years!
Let's be clear. The primary reason people have lost pride in America and democracy is Donald Trump and his administration. You can say other administrations have had their faults, certainly, but what's happening now is far, far worse. And let's not forget the constant drumbeat of propaganda from Fox News and other right wing outlets telling us our country is a shit hole. And again, we have our problems, but this is how propaganda works. You mix in some truth about something while wildly exaggerating or making up other things about it.
Yeah. Know what? I think that's the narrative they're trying to bully us into. The "proud patriots" being their right-wing gooshtepperz and everyone else just whining and hating the country and saying it sucks all the time.
Nonsense! We should take pride in our country, because that spurs us to fight for it and make it better. You're much less inclined to kick miscreants and ruffians out of a space you don't consider yours.
They practically already hijacked the flag, the flag that's supposed to represent all of us. They've hijacked the narrative of the Christian faith as well, which actually used to be a HUGE leftist thorn in the side of capitalists, when it was actually centered about loving thy neighbor.
We've seen in our lifetimes how easy it is for symbols to change. We need to take back our country and its heritage. The "red state" faction is even trying to claim the narrative over the revolution, instead of the more accurate history their ideology represents: The Shameful South of the Civil War. (They'll hatefully decry all the "blue states" that actually won this land from the grip of the crown, of course.)
Like we should just let them have all of that, while they give us a little corner to complain in? While they march a private army through our cities and abduct and murder our neighbors?!
Hell no! This country can be a great country, when it's a country for everyone. We just need to take it back from those who think they can make it "great again."
Have a safe July 4th, take pride in being an American by pissing off fascists and enjoying what's good about your country and fighting loudly for what can be BETTER. They HATE that.
Idk Trump is without a doubt the worst (so far) and doesn't bother to even dress it up as anything else but when I read this:
New Gallup polling also finds that only 53% of U.S. adults are “extremely” or “very” proud to be an American, the lowest reading in the trend dating back to 2001.
My first thought was "Ruh Roh..."
Every authoritarian overreach, breach of civil rights and liberties in the name of safety, invasion of privacy, and abuse of executive power, was made possible by the Patriot Act and the Bush administration's response to 9/11.
The creation of ICE and homeland security (once again for our own safety).
Information control and the idea of a post truth society vs a reality based community that seems to be getting smaller and smaller by the year.
Propaganda and fear meant to box people into black and white thinking is an echo of McCarthyism but was most famously stated as "If you're not with us, you're against us."
That frame of mind/tribalistic thinking was normalized in the 50s, signed into law in the early aughts, and the same day Charlie Kirk was assassinated and Trump signed NSPM-7, allowed the already overly vague and easily abused definition of terrorist/terrorism to be expanded to include political opposition and basically anybody for anything, because the king says so.
Not long after NSPM-7, the king and his administration began targeting fishing boats in Venezuela with drone strikes and breaking into homes in the United States without search warrants due to similar vague claims about threats of terrorism and safety. And even though they've mainly focused on immigrants so far, they've quietly continued to test the waters and see how far they can expand that definition by linking groups of protestors to gangs and possession and distribution of drugs to foreign drug cartels (while also literally making closed door deals with wealthy drug cartels and their families, bc they do whatever TF they want. Organized crime is still organized crime, but it's legal for certain people).
https://www.commondreams.org/news/minnesota-indictments
https://www.commondreams.org/news/left-wing-extremist-groups
"Here’s what concerns me—Trump is saying, ‘I can define who’s a terrorist, and that means I can kill him.’ At the same time, we’re seeing executive orders defining whole parts of Democratic Party as domestic terrorists,” said Chakrabarti. “Here we’re seeing NSPM-7, which says any anti-American or anti-capitalist or anti-Christian speech, is extremist speech.”
While claiming to protect the US from drug traffickers, he added, the administration has created “a task force of 4,000 agents who are being taken off of drug trafficking and human trafficking, and the actual crime, and being put on prosecuting those people who are saying anti-capitalist things.”
“Do you think that’s okay?” he asked the other panelists. “Can you put two and two together about what’s going on here?”
They really ramped things up with Renee Good and seemed to back down a bit after Alex Pretti, but they're definitely not done. People should not be letting their guard down, because without a doubt they're going to get more brazen just before and especially after the midterms, and as the king keeps reminding us, he wants to normalize the idea that there are no limits to his executive power. (And SCOTUS has continued to quietly ensure that's true).
Tldr: I question if it's really a coincidence Trump makes W.'s legacy look so much better by comparison, because W. and his administration enabled all of this. (And tbf to "both sides," I do honestly feel that the Dems that came after W. in Congress and the White House deserve a middle finger for not making any real effort to undo any of it when they had the chance.)
Edit: Also, if you're interested in understanding the legal path of exactly where we're headed and why you should be very angry every time Trump or JD Vance slips in some bullshit normalizing the idea of unchecked executive authority (aside from the obvious), I recommend more people familiarize themselves with the legal theory of Common Good Constitutionalism.
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/25141335
the constitution is not meant to uphold liberty, but to be interpreted by a modern authority in order to promote the greater good.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/10/4/common-good-constitutionalism/
America is not my country. It is my prison.
Not lost on me the ONLY time a president has been elected to serve more than twice was the most democratically socialist president the country has ever had. He was so good that Wall Street capitalist swine conspired to stage a coup led by General Butler, who did the right thing and exposed the fuck out of those assholes.
Oh if only principled and brave generals and admirals like Butler still existed today...
Eh? I never understood patriotism tbh
Republicans are out of touch on virtually everything. What a surprise.
I'm a trans latina immigrant who fled the US after ~25 years there. I absolutely refuse to be labeled an American, but I proudly call myself a New Yorker.
I spent my entire life in the states fighting against an institution that doesn't want me alive for basic rights that are awarded to other people by default. I still have to pay the US taxes but I'm not allowed to renew my passport because of who I am. Why the fuck would I claim it as my heritage? If anything, I'm grateful I wasn't born there. Fuck the US.
On the other hand, I'm proud of my home city. I'm proud that I got to vote for Zohran, proud of my friends, proud of the artist communities, and overall proud of how NYC is inspiring other places to resist. As much as I love my new home, I also miss my old home. I am glad I can remain proud of my state after the term American has been dragged through algae green mud.
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On that note, I've always understood exactly why so much of the world hates the US. Me too buddy, me too. The loudest Americans I encounter nowadays are easily the conservatives who get off to ragebaiting the locals. It's always a couple livestreaming and secretly looking for a third. Why are there so many of them!?
Even if the United States was the greatest place on the planet, why would I ever be proud of a happenstance of my birth?
I wish I had a way out or a place that would accept me.
Weird!
The rise of the surveillance state that none of us wanted. Roaming death squads putting kids into concentration camps. Threatening to annex Canada, Greenland, Venezuela. A system of checks and balances that turned out to be a complete fiction. We spend billions on bombs and missiles so that we can get involved with Israeli genocide/rape/torture and other war crimes. AN INSANE NARCISSIST FLEECING US ALL AND NOONE SEEMS ABLE TO STOP HIM.
What's not to love?
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
I think US history is fucking brutal, sad and shameful. Any white american, especially those who were here from the start, should not be proud of their heritage, I certainly am not. That said, I do embrace my country. It has the potential to not be shitty. We have kind people. We have generous people. We have so much that we could be proud of.
I think we need to reject the make america great again idea and charge it to make america decent for once. It could be great. But it never has been.
I’m proud to be an American because of the noble principles upon which this country was founded, its triumphs through struggle, and what it aspires to be. It is, at its best, a great nation.
I’m pretty ashamed of America at the moment because of what it’s doing, what it’s been doing, and the state of it. Trump and his entire administration are corrupt monsters ruining not only this country, but having a terrible effect on the rest of the world.
There are a lot of Americans I’m unspeakably ashamed of: the surprisingly small minority who are responsible for electing the current administration, but I’m especially disappointed in the vast majority of Americans who have completely checked out of participating the system at all, allowing that small minority their chance to usurp the power of the masses for their own cruel means. I’m incredibly afraid for the tens upon tens of millions of Americans who are so very vulnerable to attack right now and, more than ever, need protecting. But I’m especially proud of those Americans who stand up and do their best to fight back against tyranny and oppression, and there are plenty of those, too. And I’m more than proud to count myself amongst those people.
The US was founded on genocide of indigenous people and slavery was embedded in that society at the time (“all men’s are created equal” my ass). While some aspects of it were good and “modern”, most of it was something most of other world societies experimented with already centuries prior. I agree the US was one of the first big nation implementing democracy in a world dominated by monarchies.
Noble principles… Like kicking Native Americans off of their land?
Or slavery? Or women and other minorities as second class citizens? Or every other form of inequality, tyranny, or whatever else was present at the end of the 18th century in North America?
No, actually. I wouldn’t call those a noble principals at all. But those are not the principles upon which those country was founded. They simply existed when this country was founded. There’s a difference, and I openly admit that, when this country was founded, those principles definitely seemed very mixed and muddled. And even very difficult to believe from those very men who espoused them. But it wasn’t up to them to live up to those noble beliefs, it was to their descendants— Us. And while we’ve done a pretty shitty job of it, no doubt, we’re better than they were. and that’s not nothing. Progress isn’t made in loops and bounds. It’s made in steps. The important part is that the steps are made forward, not backward.
What I’m referring, however, to is the noble principles spoken of in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution. The principles that the founding fathers aspired to, not necessarily those which they practiced themselves at the time. Even those men knew that we should all try to be better than we are. That our future generations will, hopefully, be better people than us. that our future society will be better than the one we currently live in, and that it is our duty to make that future possible.
I’m able to appreciate the good things about this country while recognizing the incredibly shitty things about our past and present. that should be pretty obvious after I spoke about being proud of those Americans who fight back against tyranny and oppression.
But I’m also able to recognize that progress is made in steps, not leaps. And the most important thing is that those steps be made forward, not backwards.
To all the bots and the ideological batshit insane people I'm seeing in this comment zone: he who's nation has no guilt, cast the first stone.
I am left wondering is any of these comments are from actual humans.
Americans have grown less proud of their country’s history or the way its democracy works over the past decade
That's because we've watched the veil of democracy fall and the Epstein class can do as they will with no recourse.
I have no pride in this shit hole country, only shame.
When you want to be pumped to celebrate America's 250th birthday but remember all the history you weren't taught in school.
nothing to be proud of a neo nazi state
America: Asians discovered it, Africans built it, White people destroyed it.
At the same time, most U.S. adults say that being an American is “extremely” or “very” important to their identity, highlighting an enduring connection, even as some become increasingly critical of the country’s past or the government’s current actions.
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He has a bald eagle tattooed on his back to represent the United States, its freedoms and “all the things we’re supposed to stand for as a country.”
Most USA citizens are unaware of the degree of propaganda we're fed starting during childhood. I remember saying the pledge of allegiance (a very weird thing to teach to children) in school every day. It's like the hitler-youth. And singing the star spangled banner, in first grade, every morning. Very weird thing to make us do.
When I was 18 years old, we rented the animated Transformers movie from the 80s and played it on silent with trippy music while we were on acid. The animation was so cool that we later rewatched it with sound on after we came down and it held up. We thought the GI Joe movie might also remain good and rented that next. It was child-propaganda. My then-gf turned to me and said, "this was Regan's amerika." She was right. It was trash.
We were taught how awesome we were since I was a child while the truth is that we brutalize, overthrow, and extract. I read an 800 page history of WWII and came away with the primary thought that the USSR won that war, not the USA. I can't believe how much we lie to ourselves. But it makes it easier to justify all the horrors. Look at repubs trying to sanitize the teaching of history even further. I wonder why…
Just woke up, not proofing, may have typos, oh well.
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"
And
"If patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, it is not merely because evil deeds may be performed in the name of patriotism, but because patriotic fervor can obliterate moral distinctions altogether."
I've never been proud to be a US citizen. Pride is something that should only be towards something that you achieved. I think the USA has missed a lot of opportunities to become more powerful because of individualistic greed and lowering taxes on corporations.
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