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Americans have grown less proud of their country’s history or the way its democracy works over the past decade, according to a new AP-NORC poll.

Americans’ pride in the U.S. on several key attributes has dropped since 2017 — including the nation’s military and its political influence around the globe — according to the survey from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. This poll was conducted in April, as the United States and Iran fought over the Strait of Hormuz in a prolonged war that started with the U.S. and Israel launching strikes on Iran.

New Gallup polling also finds that only 53% of U.S. adults are “extremely” or “very” proud to be an American, the lowest reading in the trend dating back to 2001.

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[-] homes@piefed.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I’m proud to be an American because of the noble principles upon which this country was founded, its triumphs through struggle, and what it aspires to be. It is, at its best, a great nation.

I’m pretty ashamed of America at the moment because of what it’s doing, what it’s been doing, and the state of it. Trump and his entire administration are corrupt monsters ruining not only this country, but having a terrible effect on the rest of the world.

There are a lot of Americans I’m unspeakably ashamed of: the surprisingly small minority who are responsible for electing the current administration, but I’m especially disappointed in the vast majority of Americans who have completely checked out of participating the system at all, allowing that small minority their chance to usurp the power of the masses for their own cruel means. I’m incredibly afraid for the tens upon tens of millions of Americans who are so very vulnerable to attack right now and, more than ever, need protecting. But I’m especially proud of those Americans who stand up and do their best to fight back against tyranny and oppression, and there are plenty of those, too. And I’m more than proud to count myself amongst those people.

[-] encelado748@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago

The US was founded on genocide of indigenous people and slavery was embedded in that society at the time (“all men’s are created equal” my ass). While some aspects of it were good and “modern”, most of it was something most of other world societies experimented with already centuries prior. I agree the US was one of the first big nation implementing democracy in a world dominated by monarchies.

[-] homes@piefed.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The US was founded on genocide of indigenous people and slavery was embedded in that society at the time

i’m not denying any of this. I fully acknowledge that these are terrible sins of our past. but the same founding fathers, the same ones who even practiced these horrible atrocities themselves, foresaw (or at least aspired to) a future free of these terrible inequities. And they also hoped that future generations would strive for a society free of them. And so we have succeeded… to some degree, and continue to work towards that goal. But just because we have not accomplished each and every goal to 100% does not mean that we have failed.

I’m proud to be part of a society that has accomplished these things at least to the point that we have so far. I’m proud of a society that continues to fight for these things, to achieve them further, even when a shameful segment of our society wishes to return to such a shameful past. And that’s my point.

It’s not so - pardon the pun - black and white. A great deal of progress has been made. Surly, there have been setbacks, but we are a lot better off than we used to be, and were constantly working towards that goal. And take pride in our accomplishments. I acknowledge our setbacks.

[-] Lileath 4 points 1 week ago

Like half of these noble founding fathers were rapists and slave owners. I don't think their aspirations were that people like themselves would disappear

[-] homes@piefed.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Why should I have a conversation with someone who starts their conversations in bad faith, arguments by willingly admitting that they don’t think?

I don't think

That may have reasonable … but it’s not anymore. Shall we start from the beginning?

[-] Lileath 5 points 1 week ago

Are you angry that not everyone in this comment section glazes the genocidal imperialistic entity that calls itself the united states of america? You certainly seem to like insulting others for criticizing slavers.

[-] homes@piefed.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Since there’s nothing I’ve said that could pass as what could be attributed to any emotion, let alone, anger, I’ll just chalk that up to you projecting some unresolved emotions of your own.

Best of luck with that bullshit. 😊 I’m gonna have a nice relaxing bath. Hope you work that out!

(And since I don’t wanna deal with your unresolved, crap, I’m blocking you. Best of luck!)

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Noble principles… Like kicking Native Americans off of their land?

[-] homes@piefed.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Or slavery? Or women and other minorities as second class citizens? Or every other form of inequality, tyranny, or whatever else was present at the end of the 18th century in North America?

No, actually. I wouldn’t call those a noble principals at all. But those are not the principles upon which those country was founded. They simply existed when this country was founded. There’s a difference, and I openly admit that, when this country was founded, those principles definitely seemed very mixed and muddled. And even very difficult to believe from those very men who espoused them. But it wasn’t up to them to live up to those noble beliefs, it was to their descendants— Us. And while we’ve done a pretty shitty job of it, no doubt, we’re better than they were. and that’s not nothing. Progress isn’t made in loops and bounds. It’s made in steps. The important part is that the steps are made forward, not backward.

What I’m referring, however, to is the noble principles spoken of in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution. The principles that the founding fathers aspired to, not necessarily those which they practiced themselves at the time. Even those men knew that we should all try to be better than we are. That our future generations will, hopefully, be better people than us. that our future society will be better than the one we currently live in, and that it is our duty to make that future possible.

I’m able to appreciate the good things about this country while recognizing the incredibly shitty things about our past and present. that should be pretty obvious after I spoke about being proud of those Americans who fight back against tyranny and oppression.

But I’m also able to recognize that progress is made in steps, not leaps. And the most important thing is that those steps be made forward, not backwards.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Actually, one of the key motivators for the War of Independence was the fact that Britain had decided to stop expanding the colonies westward. The colonists wanted to do more genocide but the British wouldn't let them, therefore war.

[-] homes@piefed.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

*citation needed

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

America was founded on the principle that it's worthwhile to start a war and kill thousands of people if it benefits your tea-smuggling margins.

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