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[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

We all saw the Regressives cut Medicaid without caring that it meant millions of citizens losing their health insurance. With universal coverage we’d see similar but on a bigger scale. Regressives will always play up spite and self-righteousness , will always find a scapegoat who is “cheating”, will always play up high taxes being “bad for business”, plus of course we’d all like to pay less in taxes. We would still need the “face eating leopard” meme. Even then, it would be better for the rest of us, but it would still be the same fight

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 101 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

First and foremost this would be a HUGE boon for small businesses. They are currently hugely outclassed in offering benefits which hampers hiring. It's also significantly more costly per employee for them.

Second, huge boon for employees who can change jobs left and right regardless of life circumstances. Currently the best way to improve your wages and/or get promoted to a bigger position is to get a job at a new company.

Third, huge boon for entrepreneurs who can now take bigger risks to start a new business because regardless of what happens, they don't have to worry about losing their healthcare

All of these things will have long term knock-on effects of leveling the opportunities for non wealthy people as well.

I'll say it for the millionth time. Every single stance the GOP takes is bad for small businesses, bad for the economy, bad for the country.

[-] Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I’ll say it for the millionth time. Every single stance the GOP takes is bad for small businesses, bad for the economy, bad for the country.

Bad for PEOPLE in general.

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[-] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 9 points 1 week ago

Don't forget, the Democrats have never put universal healthcare on their agenda and they've rigged multiple primaries in order to prevent candidates who would put it on the agenda from winning.

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The GOP is mentioned because they claim to be the party of small businesses and are overwhelmingly supported by small business advocacy groups.

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[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Very well said. My old man can attest to the struggle of running a small-business with a couple employees while managing the overhead of health insurance both for himself, and them.

This is honestly how Democrats should be pushing it: We're Pro Small-Business. (1) Entrepreneurship, (2) Innovation, (3) True competition, (4) Keeping money within communities... I could go on.

[-] woop_woop@lemmy.world 86 points 1 week ago

Global warming would probably be solved, because hell would also have frozen over.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

"Big news tonight. Congress has officially passed the Healthcare for All Bill with unanimous support, also, the Cleveland Browns have won the Super Bowl!"

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago

I'd probably go to the doctor.

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[-] rafoix@lemmy.zip 50 points 1 week ago

A better life for 99.999999% of the country.

The other 0.0000001% are already so wealthy that their life will be exactly the same except that they will be furious about the 99.999999% having an easier life.

[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

More entrepreneurship. Plenty more people would work for themselves or start businesses if they didn't have to worry about healthcare.

[-] Doublenut@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago

This. I've said for years, it'd be a Renaissance of entrepreneurship and craftsmanship.

I've known so many people over the years that would have been fine getting by selling things they've made, or fixing others things, if they didn't need employer based Healthcare.

[-] tunetardis@piefed.ca 11 points 1 week ago

UBI would be good for this also.

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[-] Z745812939054@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 week ago

everyone would be in better shape health-wise.

but also billionaires would lose money, which is why it'll never happen as things are now

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[-] RecursiveParadox@piefed.social 30 points 1 week ago

If healthcare were decoupled from employment, Americans could protest in much larger number and for a longer period of time.

A general strike would become viable.

[-] iN8sWoRLd@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

and suddenly many people who have been wanting to start their own businesses, make that career move, or move to where the jobs are would finally feel secure enough to do so. I suspect this would boost the economy everywhere in ways it would be hard to predict.

[-] normalentrance@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 week ago

People would have more job mobility. You could quit (or get fired) and not have to worry about becoming bankrupt due to healthcare.

People that don't have insurance will be able to seek aid. Less people will die of preventable illness. People can focus on getting better without the stress of "how will I pay for this? I'm ruined"

[-] mikenurre@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

The economy would skyrocket. Everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE would benefit. And there are people in this country so vile they would lose out on billions or trillions in profits just to screw over the masses. Imagine companies not having to pay 10-20k+ per employee for healthcare. Employees getting preventative care, being healthy, and being more .. PRODUCTIVE!

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[-] hypeerror@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago

Several people I know would retire from management level positions. It would energize upward advancement in a number of institutions.

[-] Sxan@piefed.zip 8 points 1 week ago

Well, we'd retire. We have enough saved to manage þrough to our deaþs, except for healþcare. It'd be retiring early, and in all likelyhood we'd take different jobs which aren't as high-stress; let someone younger deal wiþ þe bullshit þat Management is. So maybe not full-on retire. We continue to work mainly because healþcare in þe US is stupid.

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[-] turdburglar@piefed.social 16 points 1 week ago

my friend would get the blood pressure meds he needs instead of searching for magic pills at the health food store.

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About half the US would declare civil war because they are so fucking stupid?

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Approximately 1-2 million people employed in the mass bureacracy of claims processing and validation would lose their jobs.

That's how much of a gargantuan amount of bullshit the healthcare industry is, its so big that at this point, assuming the rest of the economy was doing fine, switching to universal health care would create a moderate recession, because so many bullshit jobs would no longer need to exist.

Obviously it would be a massive net economic benefit, but at this point, medicine is gonna sting a bit.

[-] Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Approximately 1-2 million people employed in the mass bureacracy of claims processing and validation would lose their jobs.

Those "same" (number of) people would be needed to process the claims that needed to be approved by the nationwide system that replaced "for profit" healthcare.

[-] iocase@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm from Canada, and I know a surgeon and he has one admin. One (1) secretary that handles patient booking, billing, and payments. The benefit of a single payer system is there's one payer. The government. One set of forms to comply with. No rejections (almost always. Rejections come from foreigners or out of province coverage when determining which province is responsible for paying)

His software system (government provided) auto fills 99% of it. That's why he can have one (1) secretary. The government side Idk but it's certainly not insane ratios like the US since the process is far more streamlined and doesn't rely on appeals or rejections to racketeer more money out of doctors and patients. What's really sad is Americans are so conditioned to believe their way of life is somehow normal, that orphans must also be crushed somehow in Europe or Canada.

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[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

That's not quite true. Medical billing here is hopelessly complicated, a universal system would likely have universal rules, and streamline the process of billing and payments.

So if a medical practice now needs 5 people to do the insurance billing, it might need only one if there was one payer (Medicare) or two if there was a German sort of system, but not 5.

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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago

Hope would exist again and every american could get back to pursuing happiness rather than lock in on survival mode only.

[-] HrabiaVulpes@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Many companies would lose profit. Many greedy fucks would not be able to afford their third yaht and fifth house.

[-] sudo@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago

FWIW universal healthcare is not single payer. Its nationalizing healthcare providers and doing away with health insurance entirely. Which is better than any single payer plan IMO. Hospitals have never really been successful profit generating ventures.

The entire health insurance industry would be deleted along with all the jobs and stock value it produced. And yeah fuck'em but there's going to be knock on economic effects from deleting an entire industry.

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[-] infinitevalence@discuss.online 10 points 1 week ago

Lots of people would exit the traditional job market, millions would start small private business. Pay would go up both because of the healthcare savings to companies and because people would stop working shit jobs for shit pay just to keep health insurance.

It might also lead to a massive recession as for profit healthcare providers and services last l lay off workers and go bankrupt.

So mixed bag probably good overall for workers, very bad for capitalists. But there would be a massive labor disruption and lots of people would be on the losing side initially.

I would support a transitional system where every say 5 years we lower the age for Medicare access so we gradually ween off the old system and the healthiest most profitable pool stays in the old system the longest.

It still screws over the next generation which I don't love or think it's fair but the ACA created a system so entrenched I don't think there is a way to roll it back without causing pain.

[-] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

While I don't think this is a really big thought in the minds of CEO of large corporations but by tying healthcare to work it does keep potential competition from growing in the marketplace. More difficult/impossible to start your own competing produce/service without healthcare.

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[-] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Instead of making people contractors to avoid paying benefits companies would make people employees to have more control over them.

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[-] Gonzako@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Things happening to you medically would stop defining your life. I called for a check on something, get a date in 2 days and be scheduled for a radiology, all 100% free.

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