Apparently the US government is looking to give a massive bailout under the guise of "public partnership" so the public will pay for them and then corporations will get to use them and not pay us more than likely. They'll be put to use, we'll pay for them to take our jobs. It's really the best situation possible...
/Wrist
This is the most accurate assessment of the situation I have heard thus far.
2008 with hardware.
Hardware that dies in 5 years. At least the houses are still around assuming they didn't get wiped out with those fires
Survielllance centers for all the data being stolen off your smartphone and flock cameras.
If anyone thinks I'm wrong, they're completely blind to what's going on and their future plan.
If anyone thinks I'm wrong, they're completely blind to what's going on and their future plan.
But the hallucination problem means that everyone will end up with a meaningless list of AI hallucinated "prior offenses" that could be used to arrest, detain and disappear literally anyone, based on mismatched unaudited surveillance footage of completely different people.
I'm thankful that no powerful persons today want a world where they can do that to anyone they find inconvenient.
It would be genuinely alarming if we had any total assholes out there with wealth or power or both.
Mmhm very alarming. Good thing we are safe.
Survielllance centers for all the data being stolen off your smartphone and flock cameras.
Yes, and other sources. That's my theory as to why most of them are being built in the first place, regardless of AI.
I dont believe its a theory. Its absolute fact. Why else would they be requiring cameras in all cars next year, and putting flock cameras all over every city? That surveillance data needs to be stored and sorted through. This is the real reason for the massive push of data centers and bribery of politicians.
Yes, they've been wanting to do it for many years, even before 9/11 but especially after (remember "Total Information Awareness"?--back then the backlash stopped them, but now the populace has been mostly tamed and made compliant). So now with AI/LLM they have not only the perfect cover to build the datacenters but also the means to process all that data--never mind hallucinations, they're fine with that too.
One thing not mentioned here: Hardware has an expiration date. As hardware improves and becomes more performant, with reduced power consumption and heat generation, older hardware loses its value (I've got free servers and switches this way).
AI data centers have been built anticipating a demand that won't happen, therefore they are in a market already over saturated, dominated by few and just selling allocation won't let them cover costs if they are supposed to compete against the big 5.
I would say that in EU or few other countries where they care about data locality that could help, but chances are some providers won't get paid, some people will lose their jobs, and taxpayers will give a bailout to the wrong people.
A golden age for laser tag arenas
I would prefer a roller rink revival myself, but laser tag is fun too.
Get ready for the 2040 internet trend "spending the night in an abandoned data center"
They will just turn all the empty space inside into detention centers and keep all of us locked up.
Spirit Halloween gonna have some massive sales.
Cheap datacenters for sale to the surviving AI companies. It's not like all things AI will disappear just because the bubble pops.
The ones being built or planned to be built will have to be sold off.
Probably not abadndoned, but land owner changing several hands in what is essentially someone buying a vacant lot. Maybe a handful will reuse any existing building already made, but most will be used for something new.
The existing ones will start their fight to the lowest market price which will probably cause many to either sell to a different cloud provider or change hardware to something more profitable.
None of the electronic hardware will go to waste because there will always be a demand for it, even if they sell it off at a loss. But any permanent fixtures like industrial cabling, ventilation, piping, etc probably will be wasted.
There's still no guarantee on whether it'll implode or just slowly deflate though. The natural assumption would be that the post IPO pricing will completely wreck sales and value, but they could easily move to an enterprise vendor lock scenario where they can charge whatever they want due to tech stack deals like how MSFT runs teams.
Remember, they'll do anything in their power to keep the pumping going, even if it involves tax bailouts.
Hopefully the used storage would flood the market and drive down prices.
I think thats wishful thinking. I don't think that most of what goes in a modern datacenter has much use outside of a datacenter.
In past crypto busts, Nvidia bought used datacenter GPUs and threw them away, to keep prices of new cards high.
They will undoubtedly do this again. Probably AMD/Intel too.
And “FOMO” style crypto mining sites were just abandoned or repurposed AFAIK.
But honestly, I don’t know what will happen now. Especially to the “quick and dirty” sites like Meta’s server tents, all the supposedly temporary evaporative cooling/gas generators and such.
Used server GPUs are still pretty good processors for all sorts of things. I would guess that Nvidia pivots towards robotics and“business virtual reality,” kinda like they’re already pivoting towards more utilitarian LLMs with the Nemotron releases, so maybe the surviving GPUs will get used for that.
After 2008 whole half-built neighborhoods were just left to rot and abandoned.
That'll happen with data centers too.
Do these datacenters even exist or are they just plans on paper?
My impression is we aren't axtually building anywhere near what these investors are investing in.
Will there even be anything to repurpose or scrap on the other side?
I am not so sure.
Oracle is building one of there several plans and even that one is gonna be years behind schedule. The rest are hardly more than a slab of concrete right now. So forget parting out computer hardware, they barely even have more than a couple of new buildings to sell off and so much debt that cannot possibly be paid because it depends on openAI suddenly having astronomical increases in revenue to even finish the existing plans.
Other players might be further ahead but I suspect the biggest gain for the gaming hardware market will simply be the cancelation of supposed contracts to buy up things like RAM and the drying up of money to buy AI-specific GPUs, forcing NV to actually care a tiny bit about the gaming segment again.
The one about 30 minutes from me most certainly exists. The one 15 minutes away they are building at this moment is just as real. The noise is ruining everything. The air is smoggy. It’s not just an interweb myth or something. These things are a blight on the places they appear in DC area for reference.
My doom scenario: They will become low security prisons/manufacturing factories.
Or Company Housing to go along with the Company Store where you will always be short 1 Company Buck to buy that half loaf of day old white bread....same thing, really.
mainstream analysts are identifying the coming AI crash
If so many people /experts are expecting a crash, the crash chances will be more and more included in the price. So far, I don't see that at all.
They tried to make pension funds into bag holders before those IPOs got blocked. I think the desperation surrounding getting those stocks added in 5 days should be a better indication than price.
That has not been true of any historic financial bubble. Almost ALL of them have been clearly identified in advance. However, the nature of financial bubbles is that there is lots of money to be made leading up to the burst.
Please learn a little history.
You're not wrong, but ending with "please learn a little history" is pretty condescending.
Datacenters aren't only used for AI. They could be used for cloud gaming, or in general for hardware-as-a-service models as a capitalist solution to high hardware prices for consumers.
Or just good old server hosting.
If they’re already operational when that happens, likely sold off to cloud hyper scalers on the cheap. That or they’ll be turned into warehouses.
Nothing half done will just be abandoned and the land sold.
If they're abandoned, they could be filled with storage containers, and people could live in them. I hear access to watr and electricity is already set up.
A boom in local AI as people buy the crazy expensive video cards for pennies on the dollar for home usage?
They will stop pretending they’re data centers and we will start calling them what they really are, surveillance centers
Socialize the losses.
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Hopefully cheap parts, but more likely just another excuse for higher consumer prices on everything.
Indoor golf. Karts. Lazer tag.
All this hardware is essentially worthless other than AI
If/when the AI bubble bursts, I'm skeptical that they would get repurposed as any kind of non-AI data center, as I doubt the demand would come anywhere close to matching the supply. The hardware would probably be sold off for pennies on the dollar, and hopefully these parts weren't designed to be unusable in consumer PCs. I'd like to see those data centers turn into homeless shelters or something of benefit to the community, but that'd require extensive reconfiguring of the interior for a non-profit cause. More likely they'll end up as warehouses and distribution centers, or end up as long-term vacancies.
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