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This man's life was a tragedy. I feel so sorry for him. Mistreated the whole damn way.
Mistreated the whole damn way.
This guy had a long history of violence before the crime for which he was eventually exonerated. He should have known better than the get violent with the police by this point. Yeah it's very unfortunate that it led to this but he probably was far from an innocent. Sometimes the bleeding heart types around here remind me of the lady who decided it was her moral obligation to befriend her mother's killer, only to eventually be killed by her mother's killer.
Watch the video before making an imbecilic response.
Talk about a small minded thought, holy shit... How about you go and wrongfully spend 16 years in prison. You can't draw similarities between another entirely different situation, they are not even closely the same. You're being a big idiot with this "hot take"...
far from an innocent
so execute him?
After having his entire life destroyed by police and the prison system, I don't blame him for being terrified. Not to mention how mentally broken he must have been at that point from being in a cage for a crime he didn't commit. Perhaps you're not aware of how fucked up a person can become after something like that. This man needed years of therapy. What he got instead were bullets.
So you watched the video and made an imbecilic response. Irony so rich it cures anemia.
Honestly, I understand why he shot. The cop came in a bit hot at first but he didn't immediately use a gun. It only came to that after Lenny started winning the brawl and after attempting to use a Taser instead.
He even started to apply first aid afterwards. So I think the cop did okay here.
Nah fuck that. It was verbal until the cop tased him, then its not exactly shocking that it causes him to react. The cop was screaming the whole time, no de-escalation at all. Just get him to the side of the road, safe and talk while waiting for backup. It's just more evidence of undertrained US cops. There was no reason for this man to die.
Absolutely!! Backup took 4 minutes. Leonard just wanted to know why he was getting arrested instead of just getting a ticket. He obviously hated cops, but he was perfectly willing to talk before he was tazed.
The CNN video is very deceptively edited. The full clip shows way more combativeness and non-compliance from Cure.
I didn't watch the CNN video, I watched the one you linked. Yes, he was being an asshole, but he wasn't threatening. His hands were still on the truck. The officer tazered him because he wouldn't put his hands behind his back, right? He had already called for backup, though, right? All he had to do was continue to let Leonard argue with him until cover arrived. Backup didn't arrive "too late," the officer escalated the situation "too early." It was literally only a couple of minutes into the stop. Some de-escalation on the officers part and the story would have been different.
I think that's a reasonable take. It still could have been prevented by Cure simply complying with the orders- the court is the proper place to fight that- and I think the officer was well justified in attempting to arrest, but he should have only used the taser and escalated once backup arrived or he was forced to. I agree that was probably a mistake, but at the same time, with a person that combative and non-compliant, it's difficult to say for certain.
The previous time he complied with orders from cops, he wrongfully lost 16 years of his life behind bars, ruining all future prospects. I 1000% understand why he would be asking a lot of questions with his first interaction with cops after years of abuse in a completrly for-profit system that rewards abusers.
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Even on that video, the cop sucked the entire time (due to the lack of good training). You are alone on a busy highway, the last thing you want to do is start a fight, you don't even want to be on the shoulder like that, it's far too dangerous. No matter how you wanna show this, the guy should never have been put in a position to be shot.
The article says Cure was going at 100 MPH for 80 seconds after the officer put on his lights. Cure pulled over in the end, but that doesn't mean it's not a chase, which is why the cop ordered him out so quickly. 100 MPH is already more than just a speeding ticket, that's reckless endangerment. In general, 15 MPH above the speed limit is considered reckless. Add that to the chase, and that's why Cure was under arrest rather than just a ticket. I agree with you, the cop did nothing wrong here. He gave lawful orders, escalated force reasonably, attempted both his taser and his baton before firing as a last resort when he began to lose the fight and his own life became threatened, and administered first aid immediately.
I've been pulled over for going faster than 100mph. 103 to be exact. Didn't get arrested. It's 100% at the officer's discretion.
A couple of years ago, I was listening to music in earbuds and didn’t notice cop tucked in behind me for a couple of miles, while doing 126 on a motorcycle with some of the baffles removed. Because I’m of the Eddie Haskell phenotype, I only got dinged for 85 and the cop even stuck around for a few minutes to chat about the bike.
One of the reasons I’m solidly ACAB is that I almost never get popped for tickets, and when I do, they’re always knocked down by the cop to de minimis charges. Of the tens of times I’ve been stopped since the late-‘70s, I’ve eaten maybe six total tickets. Cops aren’t fair.
Yeah, I got dropped from 103 in a 70 to 79. Cop asked me why I was speeding, and I truthfully told him that it was a beautiful day, had good tunes going, and was just in a great mood and didn't realize I was going that fast. He was a marked state trooper that was driving with traffic and I blew right past him.
I rarely get tickets because I have veteran plates and a veteran drivers license, most cops just give me a warning. Got stopped three times in one day trying to get out of Texas, all warnings. Last cop of the day gave me a weather forecast. I guarantee if I wasn't a white dude with vet affiliations I would get way more tickets. Cops aren't fair.
Funny, I've only been pulled over once on my bike, and I was just keeping up with traffic, which was going 80 to be fair... But he claimed I was going 97, so I had to go to court, where he lied his ass off to the judge, and I had to eat a $400 ticket plus whatever it did to my insurance... and I'm very white too, if I wasn't, who knows what that piece of shit might have done.
Did you also flee, though? That's the other thing. He kept driving for well over a minute before finally pulling over. That was the reason for the arrest, and then when he resisted arrest, only then did the officer escalate.
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100 MPH is already more than just a speeding ticket, that's reckless endangerment.
No it's not. Here's the proof.
You technically correct which is the best kind of correct, it’s not automatic. There is evidence to suggest that in general the 30 mph over the limit would have resulted in a reckless driving arrest.
Either way whether it would have been has nothing to do with how the situation played out.
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You have the order incorrect. The cop started the brawl by Tasing.
Even a short stint in prison is a traumatic experience and this guy served 16 years of a life sentence when he was innocent. It broke him and no amount of money could bring him back. This cop is not to blame for his death but the entire justice system and the part of society that didn't want him back regardless.
The cop immediately escalated the encounter. He had hundreds of opportunities where he could have not taken Cure's life.
It's that he didn't pull over instantly. Cops are taught resistance or even slowness to comply is a threat to their authority and merits escalation. If the cop is not completely in control of the situation (or if they feel they aren't), they're taught to take control of it aggressively, regardless of the context of the situation. Resistance is a potential threat to be extinguished quickly, ask questions later.
They're taught to be hyper aggressive cowards.
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This cop is completely and entirely to blame for his death.
Here's what I see when I watch this: a cop fights valiantly for his life in a situation of his own making.
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So I guess no one cares that this was an obvious hit job
Dude he was fighting the cop with his hands around the cop’s neck. The cop was doing 65+ when he passed. You can tell he was speeding. I get that going in for reckless driving may be traumatic for somebody with his history, but the cop doesn’t know that. Someone of sound mind tries to be cooperative when pulled over. The guy was not that, and as all things happening in the heat of the moment, it quickly got out of control. How in the fuck was this a hit job?
Because he just got released from being wrongfully imprisoned, was driving while Black and was killed for it. Every cop in the nation knows who the hell he is. And racists and tyrants don't like those who escape their wicked claws.
Even under your interpretation of the situation, it's still wrong, as white people who do the same are rarely if ever killed for it while Black people are.
Most people will also not put their hands around the cop’s neck. You really believe the cop knew who he was immediately when he passed the cop doing at least 20 more mph than the cop was? I would never tell a cop “no I’m not” if he told me I’m going to jail for reckless driving. That’s not cooperating. I guess I’m a pussy
A white dude could literally have put his hands around that cop's neck and would have been arrested without being murdered.
It literally doesn't even matter what Mr. Cure did, that cop had no business pulling him over for any reason. Police doing literally anything to him for any reason, aside from Mr. Cure purposefully killing innocent people (cops are never innocent) is a purposeful attempt on his life because there's no way they would not have known who he was or wanted him to suffer for escaping their clutches.
Mr. Cure's murder was a message -- you will comply and submit to us doing anything we want to you and even if you legally manage to exercise your rights and escape, we will still come for you. There is no escape, bitch. Bend over.
That is what those cops hoped to accomplish and it sadly worked.
I would never tell a cop “no I’m not” if he told me I’m going to jail for reckless driving. That’s not cooperating. I guess I’m a pussy
You need to do some meditation and self-reflection and decide for yourself if existing in fear of other people's wrath is the way you want to live your life. Cops can't just do what they want to everybody and we the people have rights that supercede any authority cops claim to have. Nothing cops do is constitutional and you and I both know that. Cops are always monsters and never do anything good -- it is an immutable rule of the universe.
You're a fucking nutball.
This wasn't even just "hands around the neck", he was actively choking the officer, who first tried the baton to get him off and then finally restored to the gun.
It's not a fucking hit job it was self-preservation in the face of a threat to his life.
If it's a message, maybe that message should be "don't try and guy with a gun to death, especially a cop"
You're not listening.
What Mr. Cure did was irrelevant because if anything he did, including killing police officers, was done by a white dude, the white dude would have been arrested and still alive while Mr. Cure and any other Black man would have been murdered without hesitation.
It is that simple.
But we both know you're not listening because you're probably some racist ass who thinks it's okay for police to murder Black men, especially high-profile ones who expose the tyranny of their system.
No you're just a racist idiot who thinks everything boils down to black or white.
Nobody is going to stop and say "I guess I should let this guy choke me to death because he's white"
Get a brain
No, you're just a racist idiot defending cops because they killed a Black man and you like that sort of thing.
Cops have literally just arrested and bought Burger King for white mass shooters before and you're justifying them murdering an innocent Black man who just escaped having 16 years of his life taken away from him by them, and you don't want me to sympathize with the Black victim but the white abuser.
Grow the fuck up and be an adult.
I'm not defending cops at all. There are plenty of incidents of racist or corrupt pieces of shit who are trigger happy. This just isn't one of them.
The cops that put this guy in jail are garbage, ones that engage in the behaviour you described are garbage, this particular cop did none of that. As an adult, I can actually look at a situation and analyse that without being biased over a generalized hatred. You might want to work on that.
YOU seem to have looked at the summary, decided "black man, white cop" and that's all it took to render a decision of guilt without looking at the situation at-hand. Doubt you even watched the video but I doubt it would have affected your decision either way
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