No, you are not. these people must've masturbated, hence they're sinful.
Or they wore mixed fabric clothing, so they're basically satan
Satin, you say?
Statins
Wait, so all this time I should have been going full denim?
Including your underpants. And socks.
And skin.
But you just created them. The whole of their lives they have been tied to that track the way a character is trapped in the holodeck. When have they had time to sin?
According to the 20 commandments that i just made up-
drop one stone tablet
10 commandments that i just made up, thou shall not question the decision of god, hereby you're sinned.
Nice reference drop there.
Even Jesus said imagining adultery is the same as committing it. They can still think, ergo they are worthy of punishment
So... Christianity has thought crimes?
No. What he was saying is that everything you do starts off as a thought. So instead of policing your own actions, police your own thoughts and don't entertain the bad ones when they enter your mind. Then when the opportunity presents itself - let's say she indicates she's up for a quickie behind the bike sheds, if you've already been fantasising about all the different scenarios you're much more likely to take her up on it than if you haven't. Therefore you should consider thinking about adultery as being just as bad as the act itself, even though it really isn't.
*Suddenly, you find yourself together with the people on the tracks.*
They should just repent for existing, if they can't even do that they're basically just asking for the train
Aren't they from birth sinful?
Imminent death and dismemberment is my kink
the simulation we are all trapped in resets as they now need to include a provision that no weird af kinks screw up the test
And then when they all believe, you change the rules because you accidentally spawned to many people.
God: "I can only save some of you!"
People: "How many?"
God: "Twelve.."
People: "Twelve?!? But there are many more of us"
God: "Times 12..."
People: "144?!? But there are still many more!"
God:"... thousand."
People "Oh lord, I'm one of those 144000, right?"
God: "Of course you are my dear".
Other people:"...but you already saved more than 144000 before we were even born?"
God:" yeah well, just believe me OK?"
Depends on denomination but source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/144,000
It's amazing that there are so many different interpretation. Religious people have such creative imaginations.
I’m reading a fictional book series where a character in the first few books literally becomes the new god… then the later books take place a few hundred years later, and you see how the new god laid everything out for the people, and gave them books on how to prosper and all this valuable info… and STILL these idiots ended up forming various competing religions, full of BS!
I mean, the trolley obviously can't fit under the bridge, so this seems like a mass murder/suicide scenario.
What if the trolley can shrink when going under the bridge
What if they accept that I'm the creator of the situation but I still don't save them as I promised?
You have a plan, that doesn't involve them. And it was all for good.
When a creator does it, the word is "ineffable". Just like how when I'm rich, I'll become eccentric.
Nah, fuck that. I'm eccentric now. What's a rich guy going to do about it?
No no no, doesn't stop there.
Then you created a business, run by your most....devout... followers, they'll manage the business.
You pay them to collect money for you, and um, teach them the ways and make sure they bring their families and friends in.
You tell them they are all horrible people who will suffer in eternity unless they worship you and thank you that they were born.
Then your managers, they meet with all your followers and ~~shake them down~~ tell them how important it is to fund the business.
It's a very complex thing really being the creator of the universe and having to have people start a business to fund..um...worshiping you....
Nice
For this to be more accurate you need to take the "God" out of the image entirely.
Substitute the trolley for a tornado, the tracks for homes, the deity killing randomly with said tornado, and the survivors thanking deity for their survival (and their neighbors’ deaths).
Not a good analogy? Of course it isn’t. God doesn’t exist, and if he does, he’s perfectly happy killing you and destroying your family for no reason whatsoever, and your neighbors will thank him for doing so.
I'd like to propose a thought.
1.) God makes rules
2.) Following those rules is good
3.) Breaking those rules is evil
From the perspective of God the delineation between good and evil is a human perspective, not necessarily God's.
A similar point of view would be if a person sets a rule for a child or maybe a pet. The person strictly enforces this rule, but openly breaks the rule because it does not apply to them. The child or pet meet feel that they are being treated unjustly and categorize breaking of the rules as being wrong. Making the child go to bed at bedtime or not allowing the pet to eat certain foods.
What many atheists do not understand is that human logic does not apply to God(s), just like the feelings of my dog wanting a slice of pizza do not apply to me.
Is God evil, probably, what is evil? What is good? Is God just? In application to others if you're following Christian ideology he theoretically is in the long term, but in application to their self definitely not.
The biggest problem I have with Atheist logic is that if there is a god that it should follow human logic and because there is suffering and issues in the world there must be no god or that God isn't worth following. If after life beliefs are correct do you think it matters if you took a moral high ground against an unfair god?
If you're an atheist because you don't believe there is a god then cool, but if you are an atheist because you think God should follow our rules idk what to say for you.
The same goes for religious people, you have to accept that God let's bad things happen to you.
The simple obvious answer is that there is no God. If there is, I want no part of an afterlife with him.
"God is so moral that he doesn't need earthly morals" is an absolutely laughable justification. May God strike me dead before I click the "reply" button, if I'm wrong.
but if you are an atheist because you think God should follow our rules
You can't be an Atheist if you believe a god exists that should follow our rules.
That is like the whole point of Atheism.
Ah the argument from authority... this exact reasoning is I believe why christofascism is taking such a root in American politics. A pet still knows when it is being abused. Having rights and power over others does not make actions moral. This is basically a might makes right line of thinking except God becomes humanities bully.
You may not believe morality is subjective, but I do, and I define moral actions as led by my inner compass. You may choose to call your inner compass the holy spirit and assign gods divinity to it, making your interpretation of gods actions closer to divine authority, but it holds no more importance than anybody elses interpretation or convictions.
To think that any being would be exempt from judgement or morality based on their power or position of authority is in my opinion the weakest logic of all. By this logic, abortion should be a non starter for theists after all, my house my rules, right? No it turns out there is no equivalent logic to explain the relationship between man and god. All sinful humans must follow your inner compass whereas any command or action attributed to god is exempt from reproach, and since you inner compass is actually the holy spirit, it gives you or your interpretation of your favorite book dominion over all others without the need for any self reflection whatsoever. This way you can attribute acts that are considered evil by every other daily metric as good so long as you can delude yourself that it is gods will.
"Didnt you go out and do all these things in my name?"
If god exists and provided you free will and the holy spirit, why then would you not be expected to use it to discover more about god? To develop discernment instead of chalking up inconsistencies in the messaging to gods will and all actions dictated by men as "acts of God". Isn't it possible that the idea of god of the Bible or the Quran or whatever is inherently flawed and twisted to serve the desires of man? That god, if real, is not depicted accurately in any single book in the history of man?
I cant stand these ray comfort style gotcha arguments like no actually we don't have to follow logic or morality because divinity and anyone who questions our assertions has the absolute arrogance to spit in gods face.
In this situation, I could see it being done in order to announce that you have the power to alter reality on a whim, and really need people to get with the program.
So I would say it would depend on your other intentions, as if you have the creative power that is chested, you could easily bring someone back to life and place them in another scenario until they actually understand what you're trying to tell them.
I don't have enough information to ascertain whether or not the omnipotent being is evil or just a prankster.
Why do you have to "announce" your capabilities to beings you designed? Why do you have to onboard them to your "program" at all? If you truly are omnipotent, simply make beings that already know, and are already with the program. Assuming that is indeed what you want, why would you do anything else?
Are you throwing in extra steps for your own amusement? Just as a prank? Why? You're omniscient. You already know how it ends. What's amusing about it?
You are either toying with beings you created to be non-accepting and deliberately presenting conditions that won't convince them, or you're lacking one or both of omnipotence or omniscience.
An argument straight from the edgy teen atheist textbook, sure, but nonetheless one I have yet to see a compelling rebuttal for.
But, by your argument, you do have enough evidence to rule out benevolence, no?
And then here comes Cormac McCarthy (RIP) to shit all over your idea of some benevolent god, to give you a real sense of how chaotically brutal the reality of life actually is, to question autonomy and the very notion of free-will, and to maybe, as a side-effect of literature, to make you think twice about everything you've assumed about the world.
Gonna miss that guy.
I don't know why the Nobel asswipes didn't give him the recognition he deserved.
My guess is that his work was too "American" for their tastes.
