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[-] TheOakTree@lemmy.zip 27 points 2 days ago

Nowak's family called his treatment by police "inhumane and degrading" but ⁠in a statement ⁠outside court, his father said his death should not be "used to create further division, hatred or tension."

A man who lost his son has more reason in the situation than a political figurehead... I'm not surprised but, still.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 64 points 3 days ago

"We should respond to this with pure cold rage."

No. You're adults and leaders. You can be angry but your response should be rational, not emotional.

[-] rautapekoni@sopuli.xyz 16 points 3 days ago

I think the rational response to most of the stuff Farage says is rage.

[-] Cypher@aussie.zone 7 points 3 days ago

The rational solution is to execute the murderer, jail the family for a long time for obstruction of justice and when their sentences are up deport them.

The police who cuffed a dying man should be jailed for negligent manslaughter.

[-] prole 19 points 2 days ago

The rational solution is to execute the murderer,

Gonna have to stop you right there

[-] Cypher@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago

His guilt is beyond any doubt and a bullet is cheap.

There is zero reason to house and feed him.

He should be executed and his rotten family should pick up the bill.

[-] Akasazh@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Careful with that edge, you may injure someone with it.

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[-] Burray_Mookchin@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Digwa stabbed Nowak with a ‌knife he said he was permitted to carry due to exemptions for Sikhs ‌to have ceremonial daggers.

I don't understand this, isn't anyone "permitted" to carry a knife wherever they want to in public? Why do they call it an exemption

Edit: Since I'm guessing the answer is "not in the UK" my follow up question would be how do people buy knives there? Do they have to dodge the cops on their way home from the store?

[-] Grey_Area@thelemmy.club 54 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So there are some things to consider here.

Thing 1: The UK law is that citizens should not carry a knife exceeding 3" in length in public unless they have good reason to. In reality, what this means is that unless you are a scumbag, there is not a problem. Going hunting? On the tools? Work as a chef? Not an issue. Being a sketchy gang member who intends to do harm to others? - now the public services have something to charge you with to prevent said behaviour. While there are exemptions to the rule for religious/cultural groups (Scots included), the reality is that it’s a non issue unless you plan on breaking the law.

Thing 2: The UK police have been chronically underfunded for decades as the wealth of the country has been gradually privatised and offshored by the very same groups who fund political parties like The Conservatives and Reform (who are currently stoking tension with this story) and whose donors, coincidentally, own much of the media. Police now receive very little training and not much pay. The organisation is very under-resourced.

Thing 3: The police officers attended the scene having been told by the perpetrators that they had been attacked and racially abused by a drunk man who then tried to climb over a fence and fell on his head. They entered the scene primed to find a drunk/drugged and violent muppet who had fallen on his own head having attacked a family on a domestic street. The police officers were incompetent, poorly trained, not that bright. What happened was tragic. They failed to perceive the truth… but to say the are somehow racist is a stretch. They were deceived by an unhinged man, who has been locked up already.

Lastly, thing 4: The Sikh idiot didn’t use the standard ceremonial (and often blunt) blade that Sikhs normally carry. He used a larger and very sharp one. I believe his family members (who assisted in the deception; his mother even hid the knife) are being charged with weapons offences today.

All very sad.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

From the sounds of it, the newspaper is being deliberately misleading to drum up something or other.

[-] theyoyomaster@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Welcome to the UK. You make the mistake of trying to apply logic. Just because a knife is a legitimate tool and you have a genuine reason to be using it doesn’t mean you won’t be charged. Their law simply does not care and if you’re caught it doesn’t matter the reason you had it.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/28/man-allotment-gardening-tools-arrest-armed-police-manchester

Search engines are garbage and only give me results about the news story in the OP even with very specific search terms but there was one a few years ago where someone, I want to say he was a carpenter or tradesman of some sort had a normal pocket knife in his work pants outside of work and got arrested and convicted. The judge at his trial apologized and said it was unfortunate since the knife was a normal requirement for his work but the law is the law. They then returned the knife to him after the trial because they acknowledged it was needed for work.

[-] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 10 points 3 days ago

Not sure about this exact locality, but there totally are places and areas where you are not permitted to carry knifes. The USA is really an exemption that people are allowed to carry assault rifles, grenade launchers and flamethrowers in the subway. Other countries have knife bans in place so that you are not allowed knifes in public transport or in other places

[-] Burray_Mookchin@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I live in central europe but still would never think twice about leaving the house or entering a tram with a knife in my backpack. I think I actually do still have a swiss army knife in there somewhere that I've been carrying literally anywhere I go for the last couple years.

To me it's a little strange to compare knives, which are primarily tools, to firearms that are from start to finish designed for the sole purpose of killing and injuring living things. My life would be worse without knives, I use them every single day. But I've never required a gun for anything

[-] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

It’s worth it to note that the majority of US states have similar laws regarding the carrying of blades over a certain length in public, and almost all public transit systems in the United States heavily restrict or outright forbid weapons on public transit.

The USA is really an exemption that people are allowed to carry assault rifles, grenade launchers and flamethrowers in the subway

Not only is this hyperbole categorically false on its face, but it’s often even illegal to bring blunt self defense weapons onto the Subway like brass knuckles, clubs etc.

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[-] sirico@feddit.uk 7 points 3 days ago

Uk law is you can carry up to a 3.5" folding knife as a general EDC. Obviously exemptions if your job requires it but they need to be stored correctly so chefs put them in canvas rolls, trades tool boxes etc

[-] SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Can't tell you how it is in the UK, but here in Germany, you're only allowed to carry knives with short blades (<= 12 cm, IIRC) in public, anything larger than that has to be stowed away safely, so that it cant be reached easily. A locked container would be ideal, but the precise definition is a bit wishy washy, and there are also designated areas, where even the small ones are not allowed (or fall under the same restrictions. I'm not really sure).

Furthermore, there are knives, which are just generally outlawed depending on their construction; like spring-loaded knives and butterfly knives, for example.

If there are at least similar regulations in the UK, the Sikh's ceremonial daggers, could fall into a category that would usually be banned, but with an exemption for religious reasons.

Some of the rules here are a bit silly, imho, but the fact, that we don't treat a small paring knife the same as an army combat knife at least makes sense to me.

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[-] Tortellinius@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Because Sikhs have to carry the knife as part of their religion. The religion, however, forbids the offensive use of the knife. It is only for self-defense.

[-] Burray_Mookchin@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yeah but I'm pretty sure I can also just put a knife in my pocket and leave my house without doing anything illegal in the process, so I'm wondering why there needs to be an exemption.

Edit: Also pretty sure everyone is forbidden from using knives offensively not just Sikhs

[-] StillAlive@piefed.world 5 points 3 days ago

Also pretty sure everyone is forbidden from using knives offensively not just Sikhs

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[-] razen@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Sikhs are one of the nicest community in the world, the concept of Langar just facinates me but few people like these just taint the whole community really bad. Really sad news, i hope that man gets the punishment he deserves.

[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Is there any reason to include that the man was Sikh in the headline besides Sikhphobia?

[-] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 96 points 3 days ago

The man was specifically allowed to have a ceremonial dagger due to being a Sikh. The Sikh claimed he had been attacked over racial motives, which led the police to discount what the student was saying. So multiple parts of this were very much based on the man being Sikh. You couldn't properly cover the story without mentioning the fact, so it's not surprising it's in the headline

[-] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 47 points 3 days ago

Well the murder weapon was literally a kirpan, so I guess that could be relevant.

[-] Egonallanon@feddit.uk 14 points 3 days ago

See this article contradicts others I've read where it's said he used a different, longer blade for the attack and not the kirpan.

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[-] Sauvandu60@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 days ago

That's sick. What is wrong with those police officers?

[-] unknown@piefed.social 17 points 3 days ago

What is wrong with those police officers?

I mean, you've got to be a power tripping piece of shit to want to be a cop in the first place, so probably that.

[-] perestroika@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago

What is wrong with those police officers?

In this case, I would venture to guess: lack of critical thinking.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 points 3 days ago

Incompetence.

[-] icelimit@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Even if the kid was an absolute turd, he didn't deserve to be treated like that. Acab

[-] realitista@lemmus.org 9 points 3 days ago

Wow that site is completely unusable

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