Those fucking scooters are the definition of e-waste I stg. Nobody has any respect for them, and why should they? They get thrown around and beat up by everyone because the companies just go and dump them somewhere on the street without any regard to what might happen.
They're actually a great way to get around in cities. And people always get extremely upset when some stupid scooter is in the way. But somehow the millions of parked cars that clog up every last tiny bit of available space get a pass.
I always thought they were a hazard to begin with because who’s going to bring a helmet to town just to ride one? Now you’ve got a bunch of people riding a powered unfamiliar vehicle without safety gear in a public place. And a lot of people ride them in bike lanes. Just no thought at all put into the program.
Better in the bike lanes than the side walk
Nah, they should go in the road. They're often much faster than bikers. Closer to traffic speed.
Yeah, effective transportation solutions require a lot of forethought and built out infrastructure, these just get thrown out into a city with a lot of pedestrian traffic and "good luck." Anybody who thinks these are a solution to a problem obviously never met a bike (which usually get taken better care of since they're personal property.)
As opposed to riding them where? In my city it’s illegal to ride them on the sidewalk.
It’s more the point of riding them in traffic without a helmet. With a helmet, I agree they should be in the bike lane.
A helmet might not always be safer apparently: https://www.cyclinguk.org/sites/default/files/document/2020/01/helmets-evidence_cuk_brf_0.pdf
I'll keep my mountains and mountains of ecidence FOR wearing a helmet than the equivalent of "trust me, Bro, I know someone who died and the doctor/emt told me if they hadn't worn a seat belt they would have lived but instead the belt snapped their neck" from a place I've never heard of that makes it clear they're trying to influence laws in their header.
the equivalent of “trust me, Bro, I know someone who died and the doctor/emt told me if they hadn’t worn a seat belt they would have lived but instead the belt snapped their neck”
That isn't even slightly what the parent commenter, or the actual legitimate study he cited, was claiming!
Frankly, you're the one spreading harmful misinformation by falsely insinuating that it was.
The actual point is that if you aren't legally allowed to ride without a helmet and you also can't or don't want to ride with one (for whatever reason), you might choose not to ride at all and end up driving instead. That's what's more dangerous (in terms of shortening overall live expectancy by getting less exercise) than riding without a helmet.
Why are you downvoting him? He's right!
Helmets are always safer on an individual basis, comparing riding with one vs. riding without one.
Helmets are not necessarily safer on a societal basis, comparing riding with one vs. more people choosing not to ride at all and being less healthy for it.
Everyone ought to wear a helmet, but the law shouldn't require it because it's better to ride without one than to drive a car instead. (Better both for the person making that choice, and everyone else due to the bandwagon effects of more people getting out of cars.)
e-bikes and scooters have enable minorities in my community to navigate the very same infrastructure that's meant to opress them.
The ones who abuse the equipment do so out of privilege.
I find them very useful to commute to work. It's just a matter or parking properly. The ones that I use require you to take a picture of them parked after you're done.
If you're using them to commute (presumably very regularly), you should probably buy your own.
Or just get a bike.
if you live in an urban center you can own your own, and xiaomi makes some with great suspension that slightly lessen the badness of potholes and other issues
I was going to say, this one has so many but's its easy. Multiple people on one scooter, reckless driving, driving at locations where they shouldn't etc etc.
Of course it's always a few people messing it up for everone. Still, after the whole rent cycle catastrophe (and yes it is, there are Chinese landfills full of them) now this is version 2.
there are Chinese landfills full of them
I think the surviving companies just bought up the failed ones and stripped them for parts. Chinese towns and cities are still full of rental scooters, but they're down from like 12 companies with equal distribution to like 60% Meituan, 20% Hello Bike, 10% that turcoise one, and then a few small ones that are only in a few cities.
On any case, they're hugely sucessful, with cities building dedicated, seperated lanes, sometimes 2 carlanes wide, that get packed with hundreds of riders per minute during rush hour, and dedicated parking on nearly every sidewalk. I cannot imagine the amount of gridlock and parking lots if those people used cars instead.
Multiple people on one scooter
I saw this hundreds to thousands of times a day and have done it myself. There's nothing dangerous about putting 2+ people on a scooter.
First, the latter. We could discuss about this but here's it's even against the law.
Regarding the former: the city of Munich was literally full of them. Now they're down to some but like a few percent of the original amount. Seriously they were clogging up everything.
I can not imagine them all suddenly being reused in China. But it's a nice thought.
Oh, when you said landfill in China, I assumed you were talking about rental scooters in China lol. I know nothing about the rental scooter situation in Germany.
Regarding the law: If its a bad law, enforcement is also bad, and it should go unenforced until the law is updated.
Huh. I wonder how we got from "destroy all the bikes" to "there's bikes most everywhere, and kei-trucks going around making sure they're where they're needed."
But
Welcome to the Midwest. I had a scooter that went about 50mph, but it was worthless because the roads are so fucked if you hit a pot hole at40-50 you're screwed.
There's not enough road in my potholes
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