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[-] wpb@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Three assumptions:

  • the owning (or "billionaire") class is the ruling class
  • over the years, more and more capital has been siphoned to the owning class (the rich get richer)
  • this siphoning is a result of the way the ruling class has designed their laws

Combining all of this, the ruling class has ensured the ruling class got a lot richer. Doesn't sound moronic to me. What's moronic is falling for the "oh I'm just a dopey guy, I'm one of you, herpyderp" schtick they put on to court rural voters.

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago

Why the shock? It's gone down this way every single time throughout history. Surround yourself with yes men and you lose your perception of reality shockingly quickly. People that challenge you from a place of truth and compassion are more valuable than gold.

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

The thing is, you don't have to be smart to become a part of the ruling class. You just have to be somewhere in the triangle of smart, lucky, and immoral. To be a billionaire, you just have to be lucky and immoral.

[-] darthelmet@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

I’ll believe that they’re stupid instead of just malicious when they actually start to lose their wealth and power. Until such a time, any dumb statements or actions can’t compare to the overall long term success of their campaign to horde more wealth and power.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 4 points 6 days ago

The problem is that all the previous generations are the ones who came up with the unique schemes to start stealing back all the wealth. The current group just shouts "look over there!" Or "no I can steal 1 billion 776 million from you because its a patriotic number"

They are also to stupid to realize that losing some wealth would be the better choice than letting the world burn because some other guy sold them a shed with an underground bunker full of guns they will be shot with the moment they try to tell their security team they are the god emperor of the ashes.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 5 days ago

Always were

[-] BeardededSquidward 5 points 5 days ago

I feel that it's easier to show one's whole ass with the invention of the internet than when it had to travel via newspaper.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 5 points 5 days ago

I remember listening to Rush Limbaugh in the late 80s, when he first came on. He had a great tonality for radio, and was facile, and could drone on for hours, in a uniquely entertaining way. He set the standard for the legion of wannabe conservative talkers that followed. That smooth talking, speculative, non-stop patter is all Limbaugh. He's the guy that did it best, and the one they all copy.

I had good Critical Thinking Skills, so he didn't draw me in, and I was able to watch from the sidelines as he spun his propaganda. But others weren't as able to resist him, and I listened as they called his show, and praised him for showing them the way, through conservatism. As his popularity grew across the country, and he quickly became the main tentpole for the Conservative Propaganda Machine, literally the recruitment and indoctrination arm, I wondered where the Republican Party, and America would be in 20, 30, 40 years time.

I figured we'd get a hold of it somewhere along the line, but I also thought about how bad things could get if they got everything on their Wish List, and that Worst Cast Scenario is exactly what has happened. The Dems let us down badly, as I also predicted was possible, even probable.

There are paths out of this, that puts America on a proper path for the rest of this century. America can be a place where people are helped to rise and improve themselves, their families, and their community, like China has done, or it can be a place where people are enslaved to profit.

The only problem is that is going to take strong Democratic and Citizen resolve, and it's going to get pretty ugly, and very possibly violent, to purge MAGA from our government and society, and the current Democrat Party doesn't have what it takes. Let's hope that changes in 2026 and 2028, and we get enough courageous people in office who will exercise that level of resolve.

[-] mangobanana@discuss.online 3 points 5 days ago

He's one person that should have never been platformed I blame him for the rise of shitty sorry excuses of men that are now full on maga.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 2 points 5 days ago

Oh, yeah, the damage he caused is incalculable.

[-] Jimny_Crkt@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago

You mean the ones who were dumb enough to be the figureheads. The smart ones are the ones you don't hear about in the news, but spend their money to put forward the dummy who perpetuates the systems that made them wealthy.

[-] ArchsageRamases@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago
[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

Um, do we have to go back and list idiotic leaders from the past fifth or a hundred years? We can do that easily enough... Takes time but isn't hard.

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

? They always were. Just less dumb morons.

[-] vane@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

That's what you get when you start picking politics by number of likes.

[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

Incest is a hell of a drug

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 5 days ago

The Hapsburgs have entered the chat

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 100 points 1 week ago

Was there a time when they weren't?

[-] kbal@fedia.io 46 points 1 week ago

Based on everything I learned about history from watching Blackadder, probably not.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 12 points 1 week ago

I mean....

You know....

Like for a bit....

[-] GorGor@startrek.website 33 points 1 week ago

They were NEVER smarter. At most at one time they had more leisure time and access to books and tutors when reading and books were rare. That made them more educated, and they want to go back to that desperately.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 12 points 1 week ago

I dont think much of our ruling class wants to go back to reading, looking at the way they... are.

[-] arctanthrope@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

they don't want to be more educated than they already are, they want to be more educated than us. they're doing it by destroying the public school system, keeping tertiary education prohibitively expensive, eroding trust in experts through anti-intellectualism, and promoting the spread of misinformation

[-] GorGor@startrek.website 5 points 1 week ago

Exactly. They want to be perceived as smarter (basically look down on the unwashed masses.) They don't want to do the work to be more educated. Hence the hurdles they can put in front of the poors while they get to pay for fastpass to skip the line directly into the ivy leagues.

[-] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 week ago

They read, a lot more than you probably realize, and probably a lot more than the average person.

They also have access to teams of analysts.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 11 points 1 week ago

Have you read the "analysis" on the 2024 election?
I think that "analyst" is just fancy talk for their relatives who dont have another job when its not an actual scientific field cause I have worked with real analysts.

Sure they are more literate but also the way they balk at expanding their knowledge makes me think they aren't reading much worth it.

They have access to money and trial and error with more room to make more errors than the average person.

[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 15 points 1 week ago

Remember during the French Revolution where, when told that her people were starving because they didn't have any bread, Marie Antoinette wondered why they don't just eat cake? Rich people have always been idiots who believe they're smart. They live simple lives due to the luxury they enjoy, and wonder why poor people without such luxuries think life is so complicated.

[-] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

not to defend french royalty, but she didnt say that, im certain she wouldnt have thought it either.

to think the rich are unknowingly oppressing their people is a stupid idea, they know where their cake comes from, and they want it because you can't have it.

[-] prole 2 points 1 week ago

to think the rich are unknowingly oppressing their people is a stupid idea, they know where their cake comes from, and they want it because you can't have it.

I don't think it's that far fetched to think that some of the people back then, who were born into aristocracy and have been separated from regular folks their entire lives, might not know that.

[-] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

They've always been morons about something. Just seems now that they are morons about damn near everything.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 5 points 1 week ago

Yeah, at least like their grandparents had interesting and clever schemes about money that made you feel like they thought it through even if they were largely incapable of anything else.

Currently it feels difficult to assume they think about anything.

[-] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You've bought the image they're selling. If you think they're idiots, it just gives them another mechanism to manipulate you.

I'm no fan of Bush Jr, but go watch some of his speeches.

Sometimes he says "nuclear", sometimes he says "nuke-u-lar".

That's someone putting on an act. No one says it both ways.

Go watch any politician's speeches, look for the subtle variations in their behaviours.

They're not morons, they're Machiavellian. Appearing to be a moron is just another tool in the box.

(That said, some genuinely are morons, but I'm not dismissing any one of them so lightly - even morons can be Machiavellian).

And in the end, all politics is about manipulation (or said more positively, inducing groups of people toward a shared goal). And politics exists in every single group of humans, no matter how small.

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

We occasionally get lucid leadership. As a whole group though, our leadership class has always had some glaring idiocy going on.

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

it's a function of the brain to decay into over-optimised depravity when its no longer functioning the normal environment in which it evolved

kinda like generative AI it starts creating a twisted reality that broken and dysfunctional

[-] Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

It's like my mawmaw always said "shit gets real fucky when you stay inside."

[-] Steve@startrek.website 24 points 1 week ago

The ruling class are the ones with insatiable ambition and no morals. Intelligence doesn't matter as much as willingness to abuse others.

[-] SCmSTR 6 points 1 week ago

The willingness to abuse others is low intelligence

[-] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago

nah these have nothing to do with another. they're orthogonal properties.

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[-] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You need to read Machiavelli

Sophistry has always been king. We've at least been moving away from divinely chosen, but when most people can't be bothered to understand sophistry exists...

They're not all morons - some are, for sure. Those are the ones being manipulated by the smarter ones.

This also holds true in any group of people.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 7 points 1 week ago

Sophists "why think when you have the money to afford a thinking man for you"

[-] Rusticus@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Checks notes: "All men are created equal..." Maintains slavery and women can't vote.

Nope, they've always been morons.

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

They had a very narrow definition of what counted as "men" and used that to justify removing rights from people.

[-] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The ruling class uses the morons. It's the perfect crime.

People need to understand we are cattle, from the bottom of the streets to the president.

https://youtu.be/KmNIqhIBvzE

[-] cranakis@reddthat.com 9 points 1 week ago

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[-] Thoven@lemdro.id 5 points 1 week ago

Hard times create strong men

Strong men create good times

Good times create weak men

Weak men create hard times

The cycle continues

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 6 days ago

I have come to the idea that its, hard times makes scammers which eventually people close fisted with their money are less likely to be scammed.
But eventually people become loose with their money when they feel they have enough and use it poorly and then we have an abundance of overpaid charlatans.

And right now we are still seeing so many with such an endless amount of money they can't even feel the draining of their wealth by scammers. So the cycle is not working so well.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

While this sounds very cute, it's wrong. Times are always hard for most people. Point to a good time in history and I'll point to the people whose backs it was resting on.

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[-] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

R you saying this from an american perspective?

This idea is referred to as "Circulation of Elites" and suggests that every ruling-class has to be a minority group (E.G WASPs in USA, Normans in medieval england, "the rich" in general in most places), but they will always end up being displaced by another minority group. Because the key to securing power over, for instance, a country, is to be highly organised (only possible for a small, organised minority - never a/the majority group) and when in power, this group becomes complacent, so their grip over power slips and in comes the new elite minority ruling class

historically this is often identified/misidentified as Elites mixing, sexually/culturally, with majority groups or other groups. This is more usually a symptom but it could in some cases be the cause. The opposite - Inbreeding - is of course also bad, as is a refusal to learn new ideas (i.e refusal to mix culturally).

So... it's like a law of nature. Whatever elites do they slip out of power sooner or later. American elite have probably been in power for a "healthy" amount of time tbh.


just in case it's not clear, minority does not mean racial minority here. It's literally any group that is small and organised - christians or atheists, rich middle class or gangsters.

[-] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

It only takes one

[-] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

it's not stupid if it works (taps head)

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