Plus, buying a PC that isn't Copilot+ PC capable makes little sense these days, as you miss out on features like semantic search, Click To Do, and even Windows Recall.
I have to disagree, I’d pick a PC without copilot any day. 8GB RAM though is not it
Pretty sure my partner is still happy with 4GB. We don't all need to run several LLMs or 2 chrome tabs.
4 GB works decent on Linux. I have been using an old laptop with 4 GB RAM since the HP folks said it would take them 20 days to repair my primary laptop. I installed cachyos on it and yeah it works fine for web browsing, office work and all.
Installed an SSD and Linux Mint XFCE in a old notebook (2012) with 4GB of RAM and works like a charm
Can confirm. Not very good, but it’s pretty usable once you remember it’s limited and keep your browser tabs to some sane amount.
On helium browser, I can get around 10 tabs without lagging. Though I am not a tab hoarder and usually have less than 5 tabs so its fine.
Tab hoarder, a nice word. Gonna steal it. I’m neither, so when I was working on a 4 GB Linux system, I didn’t notice most of the time.
Done 60FPS gaming on a laptop with less than 4GB of RAM before too.
8GB RAM isn't even enough to run Teams + Windows 11 on corporate PCs, not with all the other bullshit they make you install.
Lol I just checked my RAM usage on my work laptop, literally nothing running besides Teams (and whatever else my work has going on in the background) and it's over 9GB
It's a good thing for the OS to use as much RAM as available. Why pay for ram if you're not going to use it?
It is. But having the RAM running at a constant high load just slows everything down.
Also, teams being so badly optimised that it needs that much to run is just bullshit
Does it? Theoretically it shouldn't slow down just because high ram usage unless you are truly fulling it and RAM needs to constantly free stuff.
A pc with ram running at almost 100% capacity is slow as shit, this isn't a secret....
Ok, but we were talking about running Windows on 8GB RAM
Minimum for our Windows PCs is 32gb. Largely because security doesn't want to reel in their shit. It's still not enough.
My computer uses 32 GB at idle. Even 64 GB is hardly enough for all the shit I do and the security bloatware on top of win11 being dogshit
Anecdotal, so don't trust my word on that.
I was surprised, but Windows 10 seems to adapt to amount of RAM availiable and it even tries to function on 4GB systems while leaving some space for programs user needs. On 8GB it gets to use more resources itself. And on 16+ it doesn't change anymore.
I suspect it is their MO to convince the 7/8 users for the initial free-of-charge switch.
lol, this is hilarious. A problem of their own doing in every single aspect.
I don't know, a laptop that can't run AI tools sounds good to me.
Problem is it also can't run chrome and Windows at the same time.
I was already sold on it, you don't need to convince me more.
Help! I'm being threatened with a good time!
I would just put Linux on it instead lol
Pretty hilarious that in pursuing AI we made it so that we can't even build the computers to use it anymore.
Or have jobs to afford to use it, once they figure out they have to start charging for it.
That catch 22 sure is a doosie
In recent news windows can no longer run on surface laptops
Solving problems they should not have introduced in the first place...
See now this, this is what you call 'long term strategic thinking'.
... from your... mind bicycle... that ... is only for entertainment purposes... and is also your entire operating system.
In related news, Intel announces they a bringing back 10nm. /jk
buying a PC that isn't Copilot+ PC capable makes little sense these days, as you miss out on features like semantic search, Click To Do, and even Windows Recall.
I wonder if you can use Ollama and get something similar on Linux/Non-Copilot+ PCS, I dont see the point in NPUS though. (Click To Do only searches with edge and bing which i dont like,Semantic search i didnt do mucn research but sounds cool,And Recall was heavily criticised when it was first revealed.)
I've been locally running Qwen 3 and lately Qwen 3.5 on my SteamDeck for over a year now.
That's an APU, which is basically an NPU but can do more things and is less expensive, pretty sure that's what those acronyms mean.
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