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Kind of impressive when you think about it
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Microsoft never fails to disappoint
Huh. I guess Microsoft and I have that in common.
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You forgot the symbol crash at the end. How disappointing.
Typical!
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Be Skype. You literally are the first one. You literally are the only one. Covid happens. Zoom pops up from nowhere and takes everyone. You die.
Still, still, I'm like, how???
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Lol! Be like GitLab instead:
1 - Be the underdog with good reputation in a market completely monopolized;
2 - Have the incumbent self-destruct by vibecoding its product and pushing AI above every other feature to its customers;
3 - Loudly announce that you are leaving your past good behavior behind, and that you are betting everything on vibecoding and pushing AI to your customers!
The US Govt. as a customer, and the forges they operate / contract, being pushed to use AI is probably (unfortunately) a huge piece of this problem.
Yeah the push to use AI comes from above, and it's not just in the US. Anyone who's at the top levels of any company now can tell you that the party line is AI positivity and insistence that workers adopt it into their workflows, even if they themselves see little use for it or can find a way to incorporate it into their own workflows yet.
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They had Skype! It was the verb for video calling for god's sake! How do you LOSE so BADLY so CONSISTENTLY and STILL have investors.
Sometimes I miss Microsoft Lync, but not often.
~~I made this comment as a joke but I actually do miss that chats could be in separate windows. s far as I know most major corporate (and non corporate, looking at you Discord) chat platforms don't let you pop out windows.~~
Edit: Okay, it's just Discord that's the problem then. It sort of supports it in that it will open the chat in your web browser, but then it does weird things like play the notification sound twice.
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Their idea was that OpenAI was so far ahead of the competition no one could ever catch up. Turns out they weren’t and now they’re at the bottom.
Just like Skype getting lapped by Zoom during COVID
It's weird because copilot in office tries to push agents on you as if it were a Jehovah's witness.
So GitHub copilot doesn't have them? I don't really use that.
It's saying Copilot was the first on the scene and had access to literally all of the training data anyone could possibly want, and is still being shown up by most other AI models. Their failure to capture the vibe coding space is a legendary fumble. At least that was my read.
Eh wait. Copilot (any of the about 30 products with copilot in the name) is not a model. Microsoft makes a few models like phi but they're underwhelming. All of copilot runs on models from external parties like openai and anthropic. So basically Microsoft is at the mercy of their own competitors. They're in the awkward position that providing training data to their model providers not only improves their own product but their competitors' as well.
Additionally, Microsoft's most profitable market is enterprise and they would absolutely shiver at their data being used for training and would abandon the service in droves.
Despite being "all in on AI" Microsoft is in a really vulnerable position. Their added value is their integration with their other services (and data therein through RAG).
Pfffft. No way. That would be like the company that owned skype failing to capitalize on video calls during some sort of major pandemic.
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It does have agents.
No idea what the person above thinks. Maybe they think agents are just those little toys where you build an app in an iframe from a chat on the side.
I mean, GitHub has one of those, but CoPilot agents are primarily directed from CLI, the Issues system, and in VSCode. Because GitHub makes their money from enterprises who employ developers, not I've Got An App Idea guys.
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you literally have access to all the code in the world
I'd like to believe that they were honorable enough to not secretly train on code without people's permission. But realistically they totally did exactly that, but just made the AI Model this incompetent through some other engineering blunder.
Also, random side thought - training only on public repos probably yields you way higher code quality as opposed to training on both public and private repos? I assume we all have some very messy private repos that we're too embarrassed to publish because the code quality is absolute shit ... right?
I'm always so extremely confused about the trope of the personal project having shit quality... Like, if I'm doing something for myself, that's exactly the place where I wanna do something amazing, like literally all my private projects have much higher quality than my work ones - because in the work ones I'm forced to use stupid conventions, old tools, am not supposed to touch "legacy" code, etc etc etc
As such, since companies have their private code on GitHub, that's where I would expect the shittiness to come from, not personal private projects.
Like, if I'm doing something for myself, that's exactly the place where I wanna do something amazing,
That's always my intention with my personal projects too! But that always results in "Wow I just learned how to do this thing much better, let me refactor the whole project to do it perfectly everywhere" followed by my Adderall running out. So there's just so many half-done refactors I either forget about or abandon because I get a new idea the next day, but that's totally just a skill issue.
You're right though, the code I write at work is much worse, but my Company hosts their own GitLab instance so the code we write can't even be used to poison Copilot :(
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They didn't check licenses in any way, as it did reproduce the famous quake fast inverse square root function, comments included. And quake, like majority of github projects, is published under GPL, which requires all copies and modifications to be published under GPL as well, after which all sane enterprises have banned copilot usage.
Though, we're not living in sane times anymore. Chatgpt, gemini, deepseek, claude, all reproduce copylefted code left and right. Realistically, Stallman should've been rolling in cash by now...
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honorable enough
Lol. Lmao
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Have all the code in the world
Create LLM for software development
Try to advertise it
Oops, no budget
Get acquired by Microsoft
Enshittification ensues
Everyone else loots your code repos
Microsoft tries to put your coding tool in everything
Coding tool injected into Excel
Into Word
Into Teams Chat
Nobody knows what this is even supposed to do anymore
Copilot now synonymous with Clippy
Yeah, can't even begin to imagine how this happened.
And the ONE useful feature (summarizing meeting transcripts) is behind a paywall corporate doesn't want to touch.
"What do you mean this 4 hour meeting could be summed up in a single, 100 word paragraph without losing any important context or decision?????" - higher ups seeing the summarized transcript, probably
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I see this as proof of how bad LLMs actually are. You have an AI trained on essentially humanity's collective programming library. Languages of machines and computers. The result should be ungodly and near perfection. If there was any semblance of understanding in AI, it should be revealed in it's capability to produce code.
Although... I can definitely see Microsoft thinking that their code is the example of perfection and training copilot on that rather than github.
should be ungodly and near perfection
Counterpoint: garbage in, garbage out
Oh right, that.
Your proof of how bad LLMs are is the fact that there are a bunch of other companies producing way better coding agents and coding models than Microsoft is? I'm not sure how that follows. Those other agents are good, that's the point of this.
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~~invent copilot~~
Rebrand ChatGPT
Ftfy
Naah, the initial GitHub copilot was something else.
I was on the Github Copilot Technical Preview (invite in my mailbox says July 16th 2021) and it was GPT-3 (not to be confused with ChatGPT which was introduced with GPT-4)
ChatGPT was built on top of GPT-3.5 which was GPT3 with the new deep reinforcement learning to make it more "conversational", launched 2022. GPT 4 launched in 2023 and before the official launch there was "I have been a good Bing. 😊" Which was.. checks notes... microsoft messing something up again
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If agentic LLMs are the prize, I’d be fine with losing.
Microsoft could have been king with with chatgpt for personal superapp, github copilot for developers and something like sharepoint/power vibe widgets. But nooo, they make windows recall when ai models can't run locally
if they had made a unified copilot agent they would have won. Think open claw with the power of NPUs for small tasks and cloud for big queries dedicated APIs for interacting with all the microsoft products special tailored version for developers. More focus on retrieving information and doing small tasks for the user than generating slop.
The first versions they released were so fucking bad and every app had basically just a chatbot with zero functionality. It ruined the product for when it could actually do tasks.
It is impressive how much better claude is than copilot specifically for coding.
Like... how much bullshit is in Windows to learn off of, let alone github.
I mean, Microsoft’s biggest mistake was shoving it in front of everyone’s faces. The real reason that all the other “agentic BS” is received well is because the people who use them have an actual use case, or, are very enthusiastic about the technology and enjoy messing with it. Thus the discussion is mostly from that small group of people who will have something positive to say.
The truth is, that all the models and harnesses suck for most use cases that most people have. When you shove it in front of a general audience and make them interact with it, then the discussion will be about how bad it is.
Greentext on X?
Nah, green is woke.
"if they're gonna steal, they should at least do it right" I mean, I can see how someone would want to think that, but I'm fine with them failing to steal.
I don't know the original author's opinions on AI, but I think it's still fair to say that it was clearly Copilot's goal to steal all the code and be good, and they had all the code, and so ethics aside one would expect them to have succeeded with flying colour at whatever their goals were, even if those were bad goals.
But they failed instead, which is impressive.
I was using tabnine before copilot was even announced... they are the ones who fumbled this more than github.
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