It’s brave to step in like that.
We gotta look out for each other in the age of misogyny
So like... all the ages?
Yeah 😭
This is the dawning of the age of misogyny
Age of misogyny
Misogyny
Misogyny
Is that really the best line? She has to leave to take advantage of it.
Maybe, “hey, how'd your husband's parole hearing go?”?
It makes it clear what the random girl is trying to do, and allows the girlfriend to reply with anything from “not yet, let’s take a break over there” to “yeah I’m ready let’s go”.
How many times have you thought of the perfect response to someone hours after the fact?
It’s good that she stepped in to offer help at all.
It's so common the French have a two (or four I don't speak French or apostrophe) words for it. L'esprit d'escalier. Wit of the step stack hallway.
That sounds much less organic and believable.
"Hello my dear friend, your excessively muscular husband is outside asking for you. They won't let him in on account of the firearms he is carrying. Oh hello fine sir, I did not see you there, pleased to make your acquaintance. I'm an heiress of the McDonald laminate empire (no relation hahaha), and have a black belt in karatay, charmed I'm sure. We know each other (pointing at the woman)."
I prefer this because it makes the physical threat more present and believable (and doubly so, bc of the inclusion of the black belt) while also establishing personal dominance.
It's better than no line I guess.
On one hand, there is a chance she would've wanted to accept the date and this would be blocking her.
On the other hand, it's genuinely much more funny lmao.
No, because if Girl A was interested she would have the option to turn down Girl B very easily.
Girl B is giving Girl A the option for a clean out, which is all that is needed to help someone out of an awkward situation.
Nah, this reinforces the idea that men only ought to behave when there's another man to keep them "in line".
Understandable when necessary for physical safety.
I reckon that gym woman's original wording was perfect.
I'm a dude. I was in the Bahamas on a trip and there was a girl in our group who was a drop-dead gorgeous black woman. The Bahamian men were going ape over her. She and I were walking along the beach, and men kept coming up, asking if I was her boyfriend, and when I said no they'd start proposing marriage and shit.
She informed me my job the rest of the day was to say "Yes" if a random dude asked if we were dating/married/etc.
You all are celebrating something bad. It's bad to assume a guy hitting on someone cannot take "no" for an answer. It's bad to assume people cannot enjoy being hit on. It's bad to assume a guy willing to shoot their shot is a creep.
Ya'll are part of the loneliness problem. Do better and stop assuming the worst of others. You're not smart. You're not helping. You're paranoid weirdos.
Now, if the message said that this was after he was following her around the gym, then THAT is commendable. Though assuming all that off of, "hey you look good, want to go out?" is just ... sad. Sad untrusting society that's spiraling.
Another woman gave her an easy out if she wanted to take it - that's all. The woman didn't accuse the man directly of anything and she apparently left them alone once the offer was refused.
It's bad that it is so commonplace for this to happen that women feel the need to look out for one another in this way. I wish it wasn't the way the world is, but it is and it's not bad to try to protect each other.
You're not smart. You're not helping. You're paranoid weirdos.
Do you often express this sentiment to women trying to avoid being sexually assaulted and raped?
If they were trying to avoid a situation going south, sure that'd be helping.
Jumping to conclusions is NOT helping anyone.
Nobody was harmed in the meme. The men are OK. You can rest your weary head and stop worrying about misandry in the case of women looking out for other women.
Several layers of OK, since it's a made up story about a boyfriend pretending.
I make the assumption that it looked creepy, specifically because that girl stepped in. She had much more information about the situation, so almost certainly made a better call than anyone here could.
Well, and if the boyfriend is making a joke, he's going to overdo it for comedic effect, too.
Unfortunately, society is at a place where enough men have posed a risk to women that we are all a perceived potential threat.
And women are stepping up to protect each other. Instead of asking women to not step up, you should be asking men to step up and stop normalizing things like locker room talk and porn consumption, things that are proven to increase misogyny and dangerous attitudes of entitlement around sex.
Porn consumption isn't proven to cause violent and aggressive behaviors In fact, the inverse is likely true, those who are violent tend not to have as many intimate partners and so will have higher rates of porn consumption. There are a number of studies that have found sexual violence and rape to be negatively correlated with porn use suggesting that having an outlet rather than bottling up their sexual urges is better. That being said, the content of the porn does have an impact, so it would be better to advocate for respectful and consent positive porn than to try and ban it.
Unfortunately, society is at a place where enough men have posed a risk to women that we are all a perceived potential threat.
It used to go both ways. Some men felt that they had a duty to protect women. But then they were told that that's actually misogyny, because actually women are strong and independent and can take care of themselves and don't need a man to protect them. So then the men who had respect for women let go of this idea where they're supposed to be protectors.
Meanwhile, the men who don't respect women haven't stopped. There just aren't any men left willing to intervene, because the ones who have have been punished and shamed for it.
So on the one hand, that makes women more vulnerable to the men who don't respect their boundaries. And on the other hand, it means there are less men respecting boundaries in the spotlight (seriously, you don't go viral by taking no for an answer; people only notice when it's something bad), which skews the perception of "men" in general towards "they're all dangerous."
Also, it doesn't help that people who advocate for women to learn self-defense get accused of victim-blaming (as if "be prepared and know how to defend yourself" is the same thing as "it's your fault because you weren't strong enough to stop it").
I agree many healthy social skills need to be normalized among men.
Though normalizing assuming the worst of strangers is not helping.
Hitting on people at the gym is tacky. At best.
I agree. That doesn't make everyone who does it a rapist. Just someone that might need to learn better social norms and skills.
No it's not bad to assume that, because some men are extremely dangerous. There's a medical term for what's going on, prophylactic.
It's the kids who are wrong still huh? There's no hope for you guys.
That is in no way what that expression means. lol
You got some good points, people too often assume the worst and jump to defensiveness.
Because when women get caught off guard, we're stalked, raped, and/or murdered by men.
Women looking out for each other in subtle ways isn't the big bad issue in this scenario.
Nowhere did I say looking out is bad. The jumping to intervention based off of assumption is the bad part.
Ya'll are part of the loneliness problem. Do better and stop assuming the worst of others. You're not smart. You're not helping. You're paranoid weirdos.
Pardon?
It feels so good to know you are just better in a way than certain people, just allows you to go "Uh-huh, sure" knowing that you have better things to do, probably a decent future, and that you have done enough for society already, the accusations and offenses no longer matter.
The actually hateful people can burn in their self-righteousness. That's how you avoid being flammed.
It's a fictional vignette with a contrived twist. You should argue that the boyfriend reveal doesn't make sense.
The original sentiment this is a variation on is showing up for a stranger who seems uncomfortable or feeling harassed in an unwanted social interaction by giving them an invented out. That's what most people are assuming the context is.
You make the point that not all men who hit on women at the gym are rapists/creeps, they just need to learn social norms. Well, this is a social norm: going up to a stranger with no context/prior conversation and saying "Your body part is appealing to me, want to go out?" Is not socially okay because it's perceived as leery and objectifying, like you're shopping for a car, not trying to form a connection.
Here's another social norm: Chat people up at the gym and see if they're even open to having a normal fucking conversation with you like you're both human beings. Learn something about them if they are. Then go from there.
TL;DR: Hit on people in a humanizing way, not in a creepy way.
How do you expect people to learn what is supposed to be normal if your reaction to the slightest misstep is to label them a creep and rapist?
You all are exactly why the conservative pipeline works.
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