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[-] match@pawb.social 66 points 11 months ago

That's not even AI is it? It's like a 90s Windows movie maker CG model

[-] TheFunkyMonk@lemmy.world 76 points 11 months ago

I really don’t understand why everyone uses AI as a term to describe anything generated by a computer.

[-] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

The same way they convinced everyone that they should say "cloud" instead of 'on our servers."

They stopped saying "algorithm" and started saying "AI"

Once it's used as a marketing term, the technical term loses all meaning in conversational language.

[-] Xtallll 5 points 11 months ago

If it's in your server it's not in "the cloud", the cloud is code for "someone else's server."

[-] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I was thinking more from the marketing perspective " We keep your data on our servers!" verses "We keep your data in the cloud!" since the point was that the marketers of these things in particular are fucking up the terminology.

If you are already in possession of a server then you're probably aware it's not a cloud.

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

that's what they said

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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 16 points 11 months ago

Thanks to all the clickbait headlines, a lot of people suddenly think everything is AI.

[-] roofuskit@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

Just like every aircraft with 4 rotors is a drone.

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 9 points 11 months ago

You’re wrong. Everything in a headline about a technology story is automatically AI.

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[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 58 points 11 months ago

AI? Looks rather like low tier CGI instead. Most "crowds" are CGI, have been for many years. They're just usually made in a higher quality to hide it better.

[-] Toribor@corndog.social 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

In The Phantom Menace the crowds for the podracing scenes were just painted cotton swabs. They blew a fan at them to make them move.

https://i.imgur.com/s6fTbR1.jpg

[-] 567PrimeMover@kbin.social 14 points 11 months ago

That's actually really cool. Practical effects and creativity >>>>>> lazy CGI.

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 10 points 11 months ago
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[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

That's actually extremely creative and clever.

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[-] rgb3x3@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago

That's the funniest thing I've seen all week.

[-] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

This technology will get better, to the point I imagine most of us won't be able to see the difference. Scary stuff all around.

Though this shot is rather telling because that background character is "Center right" which basically gives it a spotlight. At that point, it is no longer a background, it is the scene.

Though, it is a high-school teen sports Disney movie, so I am not expecting much in the form of creativity or effort.

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[-] TheBlue22 34 points 11 months ago

How the fuck can they be so greedy?

They make bazillions of dollars per year (if not per month), and they are unwilling to pay just a bit of money for extras.

Fuck film execs, I hope there is another strike.

[-] 567PrimeMover@kbin.social 14 points 11 months ago

We reach a new, comical level of greed, and then they find a way to top it.

[-] lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

This kind of thing isn’t new. [Here's a clip](https://youtu.be/Zh7eAG2jJkA} from Three Amigos from 1986. The background characters are just a static painting.

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[-] Cagi@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

Because we live in a system where paying more for doing the right thing will get fired and sued for lost profits as a CEO. If you run a publicly traded company, you are legally beholden to make the decision that yields the most profit, full stop.

[-] lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

I keep seeing people regurgitate this nonsense.

Source or gtfo.

[-] davysnavy@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago
[-] lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

I'm as cynical as anybody else and there was a time I also would have repeated it as well.
But.... show me the law. Show me where it says this.

[-] Cagi@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_suit

I don't know where you live so I can't quote your local laws to you, but in this age of information you can Google terms and they will present relevant links. You should try it sometime.

[-] lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

Your phrasing was "legally beholden" which suggests to me that a law exists requiring directors and officers to choose the most profitable path. The wikipedia page you linked does not mention any such law. It describes a type of lawsuit that investors can bring against those running the company.

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[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

What a bunch of manufactured outrage. Holy shit.

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[-] xyzzy@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

I've watched that clip probably a dozen times and laughed every time. They have an entire row of fake mannequin people in the middle of the shot surrounded by lots of real actors and extras. Utterly bizarre.

This is why I don't use the word "content" to describe this stuff. That's the word execs use, and it's because they see this kind of thing as fine. It's just mass-produced product to them.

[-] 567PrimeMover@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

I had a look as well, and that's gotta be 1995 dancing baby tier CGI. The effects department must be dusting off the old SGI indys because the budget clearly went to Bob's next yacht

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[-] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago

Are we sure that isn't a crash test dummy?

[-] Veticia@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

Slightly used

[-] londos@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Genuinely, I wonder what the cutoff will be for calling something live-action.

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[-] Miclux@lemmings.world 9 points 11 months ago
[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 12 points 11 months ago

Anyone with more than two functioning brain cells.

[-] Miclux@lemmings.world 5 points 11 months ago
[-] Sendbeer@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

It's in a movie... this is a TV and movie community.?

Might not be interesting to you, but it's relevant to the topic. The real question is why don't you just move on?

[-] Sigmatank@midwest.social 7 points 11 months ago

I can hear the executive after they got the crowd shot and somebody noted the stands looked pretty empty: "Just have the AI fill it in"

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

CGI is AI now? I guess if you really want to go out of your way to find something to complain about-

This would be something.

[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

I remember this set in 3D Movie Maker

"Those bullies won't bother me now"

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


While the WGA has since come to an agreement with studios, SAG-AFTRA's strike is still ongoing — and the use of artificial intelligence in the industry has remained a huge point of contention, with actors calling for protections against studios using AI-generated versions of their voices or likenesses — and for good reason.

The clip, which first made its rounds on social media back in April, shows an audience seated on bleachers watching a high school basketball game.

The clip reignited a heated debate surrounding the use of computer-generated imagery in film, and how the tech could eventually replace human actors, a major talking point during SAG-AFTRA's ongoing negotiations.

In a press conference immediately following the union's call for a strike in July, executive director and chief negotiator Duncan Crabtree-Ireland revealed that the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers proposed to have background performers scanned, "get paid for one day's pay, and their company should own that scan their image, their likeness and should be able to use it for the rest of eternity."

"Disney is insane and just more reason why the AMPTP needs to ditch this plan to replace background actors with AI," freelance writer Christopher Marc, who recently shared the "Prom Pact" clip, tweeted.

This week, SAG-AFTRA proposed a bill to lawmakers called the NO FAKES Act, "creating new and urgently needed protections for voice and likeness in the age of generative artificial intelligence."


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[-] ABCDE@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago
[-] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

The AI summary was coming from inside the house

[-] java@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

This is not new and has nothing to do with AI. AI is like 5G, but for mass audience.

[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

For the folks saying this is nothing new and nbd - Id watch the animated version first lol

I don't have any issue with CGI extras in general (plenty of movies have done it well), but this shit is just bad lol

[-] realcaseyrollins@narwhal.city 2 points 11 months ago

I can't believe this article is new, this happened months ago at the least. @Marbleturtle@theres.life sent me this meme making fun of it earlier this year:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AImbAD1BbG8

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