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In the latest episode of "they will always sell you out" - they sold you out! Who would've thought.

Hoping for a good alternative client to appear, the writing is on the wall. Vaultwarden can't exist without "leeching" off of Bitwarden.

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[-] RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world 262 points 3 months ago

Jesus, I'm tired of switching password managers.

[-] MangoPenguin 84 points 3 months ago

KeePassXC + KeePassDX is probably the best option, with the downside of no way to sync easily (syncthing is probably the best option there)

I might switch back at some point, been getting frustrated with the bitwarden extension performance always being so poor.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 months ago

Sync however you want. Syncthing, Nextcloud, Dropbox, Gdrive etc.

[-] Flagstaff@programming.dev 16 points 3 months ago

Syncthing is the way to leave Google Drive, etc.

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[-] german@pawb.social 16 points 3 months ago

Merge conflicts are a concern for KeePass, especially for those that don’t want to resolve them. Sync is difficult. AFAIK this is a very common issue with Syncthing setups.

Also, the portability from Bitwarden to KP leaves a bit to be desired, though that’s probably 90% on BW.

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[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 months ago

My first password manager was KeePassXC.

Hooked it up with Syncthing, and I've never had issues aside from the occasion database duplicate.

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[-] slate@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 months ago

KeePass isn't going anywhere. They're also dragging their feet on passkey support, so you might go with KeepassXC.

[-] zeitverschreib@freundica.de 21 points 3 months ago

@slate

Wasn't there some commotion a few weeks about KeepassXC and vibe coding?

@RonnyZittledong

[-] Dumhuvud@programming.dev 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, there was. It was forked because of that, actually: https://codeberg.org/ChiPass

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[-] blackbrook@mander.xyz 12 points 3 months ago

Their AI policy looks very reasonable, and they certainly aren't vibe coding. Everything is rigorously reviewed and tested by a handful of experienced, competent humans.

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[-] Shortstack@reddthat.com 105 points 3 months ago

That’s troubling, I don’t like what this portends.

The new CEOs background especially suggests they’re spiffing up the company for a later sellout, why else would they pick a merger specialist for the role?

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 80 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think the original title was more helpful because it shows that this is a recent development. Maybe you can add "new CEO"?

Bitwarden scrubs ‘Always free’ and ‘Inclusion’ values from its website as longtime execs step down

In February, longtime CEO Michael Crandell moved to an advisory role, according to LinkedIn, with no announcement from the company. His replacement, Michael Sullivan, former CEO of both Acquia and Insightsoftware, touts his experience with “all facets of mergers and acquisitions” on his own LinkedIn page, including experience working with leading private equity firms.

CFO Stephen Morrison also left Bitwarden in April, replaced by former InVision CEO Michael Shenkman. Both Crandell and Morrison joined the company in 2019. Kyle Spearrin, who started Bitwarden as a fun hobby project in 2015, remains the company’s CTO.

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[-] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 56 points 3 months ago

Every company is basically evil at this point.

[-] iamthetot@piefed.ca 42 points 3 months ago

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

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[-] evil_andy@sh.itjust.works 55 points 3 months ago

Well, poop.

[-] SnotFlickerman 50 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is why corporate promises can never be trusted, because a new CEO can change those promises on a whim.

It's part of why despite being interested in Beeper, I never signed up for it because I had questions about if those privacy promises they made would be kept if they sold to a bigger company... which they eventually did.

On the plus side Bitwarden already made an official open source self-hosted version, which can be forked and/or return to the community developed Vaultwarden roots.

Meanwhile KeepassXC keeps on chugging along.

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[-] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 39 points 3 months ago

Has Vaultwarden said anything yet? I imagine that, if necessary, given that bitwarden's client is still open, at the point they choose to try and close it, we, the users, can fork it and establish it for vaultwarden, correct? Or, maybe even the vaultwarden team will think about forking it themselves and making a light client as well to pair with the current server.

But Vaultwarden can exist without "leeching" they just haven't needed to yet. That's more symbiotic than parasitic. The parasite class just took over Bitwarden after all.

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[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 37 points 3 months ago

Goddammit. Why can't we have nice things?

[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 3 months ago

All hail the new Chief Enshittification Officer!

[-] sloppy_diffuser@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 months ago

They responded on reddit and walked some of it back as an "oversight": https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitwarden/comments/1tdvnh7/comment/olznwcv/. Allegedly, I'm too lazy to verify.

[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 50 points 3 months ago

A change that would require intent to make is not a mistake or oversight.

This sucks. I committed to Bitwarden years ago and now am going to have to switch before they lock me in the garden.

[-] german@pawb.social 36 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They also haven’t addressed the removal of inclusion and transparency from their goals.

EDIT: They did. They said it’s “less of a priority”. The article I shared has been updated. I smell corporate bullshit though. “Oversight” this, “priority shift” that, they’d have to work hard to gain any trust back.

[-] Cyber@feddit.uk 34 points 3 months ago

My solution:

https://keepass.info/donate.html

(& yes, I'm linking to their donate page first)

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

Keep ass what though? /s

[-] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 13 points 3 months ago
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[-] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Move to KeePassXC or its recent LLM-free fork while you still can, because at some point Bitwarden is going to try to go closed-source again.

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 13 points 3 months ago

Oh crap, how's KeePass got an LLM involved‽ Time to look into this now...

I did find https://codeberg.org/ChiPass/ChiPass , but it looks like a very new project.

[-] wickedrando@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 months ago

i was just thinking this week with the passphrase addition how good bitwarden is and when will the other shoe drop. There it is.

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[-] DisasterTransport@startrek.website 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

For once ADHD preventing me from completing a migration is a boon, I guess I'll move back to keepass

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

I'm going to have to just write my own one of these fucking things aren't I?

[-] BritishJ@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

KeePassXC and Vaultwarden exist

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[-] Mister_Hangman@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Clue me in on why vaultwarden can’t exist without it?

[-] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 35 points 3 months ago

It can, but vaultwarden, as it currently is, is an implementation of the server only. So if bitwarden decides to go closed source all the way, they'd haver to start either creating their own clients or fork the current bitwarden clients.

[-] scott@lem.free.as 12 points 3 months ago

That's fine. We just treat it as a fork from this point onwards.

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[-] outerspace@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 months ago

Sad. Replaced everything with keepassxc + syncthing

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Once again, enshittification by the fucking suits.

Early on I decided to use only KeePass for full personal control instead of an online service. Didn't regret making that decision.

[-] palmtrees2309@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago
[-] auntieclokwise@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

No, KeePass. Fully open source, no cloud involved in any way, unless you want something to sync your data (the server only ever sees your encrypted database - all encryption and decryption is done locally). You can also host your own sync server using any of a variety of different protocols.

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