Since I was ten or so every president has crossed that line.

I wonder if everyone who calls Obama a war criminal also calls bin Laden a freedom fighter.

brother, we're so beyond this type of posting. congratulations: you've found a crumb of smugness amongst the wreckage of our present lives.

Your first paragraph makes the assumption that the American people are/were on board with what is happening with Iran. Trump never attempted to get the population to support his actions. It's deeply unpopular with his base and liberals alike.

With project 2025 they seized all levers of control. Checks and balances, if they ever existed, are all but gone. Seems the courts are the only thing left that produce any pushback and that is an intentionally slow process vs the move fast and break things actions of Trump.

He doesn't care about his approval ratings, and congress isn't doing their job. Huge amounts of aipac money are being pumped into all levels of government. Disinformation campaigns from 24/7 news stations keep the normies divided. Bot farms are further manipulating the online narrative using ai.

The whole thing is fucked, but it's a little more nuanced than the general population not understanding (or frankly wanting to understand) the JCPOA.

Our government has basically been overthrown, and other than protests or violence, there is nothing we can do to stop it until November. We don't have a viable mechanism to eject Trump in the meantime, and he's going to continue stacking the deck in his favor with gerrymandering and other sketchy shit until then.

Turns out money and power runs things, and that doesn't produce the best outcomes.

fuck u, we have dozens of intellectuals! DOZEENNNS!!!

Also, "everyone" is conveniently ignoring that invading and bombing iran has been a bipartisan wet dream since the islamic revolution took place. I assume almost every american politician is probably gooning every day to the images of burned bodies tbh

we used to be so bug and strong we didn't have to punch people in the face dammit

also i'm keeping it

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He was smart enough to drone strike children and got americans to think he's a nice guy. Or americans are just dumb and or don't care

Republicans have absolutely no clue how the past few months damaged America's reputation in the world. Especially in Arabic countries and Europe the trust in America has gone from an already low level to absolute zero. Every country which isn't absolutely braindead tries to cut ties with the US as fast as possible. This is a loss of soft power which made the US dominate the world and might never be repairable even with a sane president. America's decline is accelerating because of that down the line, long after Trump has left this world.

Raped fewer as well.

He’s outta line, but he’s right

What was he supposed to do? He gave us 8 years of competent leadership. One deserves retirement.

He's also been happy to help rehabilitate bush and is now being pro republicans staying around as a party.

Hell in office he was more than happy to continue bushs programs and agendas

Obama doesn't care. He and his family are set for life, and if USA becomes to hostile toward them, they'll move to another NATO country and live like royalty.

Idk about smug, but I do see where you’re coming from.

It’s entirely pointless and definitely irritating to keep hearing ‘when I was in charge we did things differently’ when the bar is as low as it is right now. It does not help, and clearly serves the ego of the speaker. To say as a leader that you did things ‘better’ back then is low hanging fruit and an incredibly poor and patronizing attempt at continuing your role as a leader. Waxing nostalgic about your time as leader does absolutely fuck all to help us out of this, which you of all people have more power than any of us to do. Otherwise this is what it is: lip service and an easy ‘gimme’ he thinks we side with him on.

Don’t get me wrong: he alone cannot pull us out of this, and I agree he indeed contributed to the eventuality we now call reality.